to Sundae. I can't agree more. The place I first noticed the manipulation of fashion as a man is when Victoria's Secret started putting up sizes on their bras, what fits as a 34B is now a 34C, when in fact it really is still just a 34B. Pissed me off big time as in my younger days I knew my wife's sizes and would easily spend a few hundred dollars on her when I returned from deployments, for her BD or for X-mas. It only got worse. Then they started to call a 34B a 36B when it really was still a 34B. What horse shit.