[Griff]

Right on Sundae. If we approach it the other way society becomes pretty coarse. I had my disrespectful niece and nephew at the beginning of this vacation. I had to "parent" them pretty hard, things that should already be in place for everyone's zen were lacking. Their Gramma appreciated the support as they had worn her out with their disrespect, bickering, and fighting when she was on her own. If they don't figure it out eventually they're going to be left out of a lot of things.