Actually, I agree with you about it going round in circles, Ali. But Classic's post (as with some others) suggested he didn't really get what it was that had annoyed some of us. So, I was trying to explain.
For the record, I don't think Grav is especially bad on this compared with much of what goes on on teh interwebz.
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What's the difference between objectification and admiration anyway? Is it simply the fact of knowing the person you're objectifying a little, or even a lot, and even if you don't know someone, can't you admire them without being accused of objectification?
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I think the difference is, as I've said before, a matter of tone. There's a difference between 'objectifying' someone by suggesting they're good for sex, and 'reducing to an object' by suggesting that's all someone is good for. Some of the pics rely on a shared assumption that women exist for men's pleasure. Rather than on the shared assumption that men take pleasure in women.