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Adak · 12-24-2012, 06:08 AM

On the Fiscal Cliff:
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Not much progress this week on avoiding the fiscal cliff. Obama will get what he wants - higher taxes - either way, so he can't lose in the tax "gift" he wants, from Santa.

Whether he'll like the other "gifts" the fiscal cliff bring with it, is hard to say. He can blame it all on the Republicans, and he's had a lot of success playing the "blame game", but when the public gets sick and tired of hearing it, there will be a backlash on this one.

Still, we have no evidence of any spending cuts put into place yet, by the Democrats.

Perhaps by the next Ice Age, a cut or two will be forthcoming - who knows.

I see gun rights are being threatened again, in full throat, after the Newtown massacre.

We hear supposedly intelligent leaders, saying nonsense like:

We've got to take guns away from people.

We've got to change the Constitution, and drop the second amendment.

We've got to remove military style weapons from people.

etc.

No we don't!

First, "military style" weapons are not to be confused with "military" weapons. There are no military guns sold to the public. (unless you're a licensed dealer it's illegal to possess them or to sell them, to anyone, anywhere) - and these weapons sell for thousands of dollars, each. These are fully automatic capable firearms, and have better ability to handle the high heat that full auto firing, brings with it.

So what IS a "military style" weapon? It's a regular semi-automatic firearm that has been PAINTED or colored, or shaped to look like, a military weapon. It might just have a hole cut in the stock, for your thumb to go into, when you fire it.

It's like you painted your car to look like a formula 1 race car - and now you get speeding tickets while the car is still parked at the curb.

What IS an assault weapon? That's any weapon that has been used for assaulting an enemy position. What it seems to be today, is any carbine (a short rifle), and a semi-automatic. We've had carbines since firearms were first made, because they were much easier to carry on horseback, than the standard long rifle.

Both sides used carbines for their cavalry in the Civil War for instance, they were used by the cavalry troops in the Indian wars, and by both sides in both World Wars, of course. They are preferred for hunting (in thick brush), and in close street fighting, in war. They were not always semi-automatic, of course.

The AK-47 and AR-15 are both carbines. Note that they are LESS POWERFUL than the EXACT SAME bullet, fired from a standard length hunting rifle. Shorter barrel means less speed on the bullet, as it leaves the rifle. Less speed means less power, and a shorter range.

In Newtown, the mother of the killer, used to take her mentally disturbed son with her, to the range. She taught him to shoot! She also showed him where the guns were stored, and how to get them out.

Oh Brilliant!!

The best suggestions I've heard to help prevent another school massacre are:

1) Harden the schools. Right now, schools are designed for easy access by students and teachers. That alone, makes them easy targets. Lots of specifics can be done, without making the school a "prison".

2) Encourage one or two responsible administrators, to get trained and concealed carry permits. Just like detectives and secret service, and P.I's - no gun showing, but it's there.

Teachers won't be good for this, because they won't want to wear the holster, and the pistol will wind up in a desk drawer (typically unsecured), and a student will be able to access it.

3) Firearms should be removed from a home with a schizophrenic/paranoid type individual, in it. Perhaps a single revolver would be OK, with just a few bullets - not semi-automatics, and not a lot of ammo.

4) Mentally disturbed persons should not be taught to use firearms, and should not be allowed at the range. If Mom wants to have shooting fun with her disturbed son, she can get any number of air guns, nerf guns, water guns, or even paint -pellet guns, and have a blast. Real guns? No!

The utterly ridiculous suggestions to remove guns from cities/schools/theaters, etc. shows a complete lack of how criminals with guns, think.

They don't CARE about the gun LAWS. They're not going to obey them! They WANT to shoot people who are unarmed, in large groups, and who can't get away quickly.

Removing guns from law abiding people, means turning people into Sheep-people, and that's just what the wolf dreams about, isn't it?

I note with interest that CA Senator Dianne Feinstein has again spoken out in favor of gun control.

Quite the hypocrite Senator, since YOU HAVE A CONCEALED gun CARRY PERMIT, yourself!

12-24-2012, 06:08 AM	#105
Adak Lecturer Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 796	On the Fiscal Cliff: ============== Not much progress this week on avoiding the fiscal cliff. Obama will get what he wants - higher taxes - either way, so he can't lose in the tax "gift" he wants, from Santa. Whether he'll like the other "gifts" the fiscal cliff bring with it, is hard to say. He can blame it all on the Republicans, and he's had a lot of success playing the "blame game", but when the public gets sick and tired of hearing it, there will be a backlash on this one. Still, we have no evidence of any spending cuts put into place yet, by the Democrats. Perhaps by the next Ice Age, a cut or two will be forthcoming - who knows. I see gun rights are being threatened again, in full throat, after the Newtown massacre. We hear supposedly intelligent leaders, saying nonsense like: We've got to take guns away from people. We've got to change the Constitution, and drop the second amendment. We've got to remove military style weapons from people. etc. No we don't! First, "military style" weapons are not to be confused with "military" weapons. There are no military guns sold to the public. (unless you're a licensed dealer it's illegal to possess them or to sell them, to anyone, anywhere) - and these weapons sell for thousands of dollars, each. These are fully automatic capable firearms, and have better ability to handle the high heat that full auto firing, brings with it. So what IS a "military style" weapon? It's a regular semi-automatic firearm that has been PAINTED or colored, or shaped to look like, a military weapon. It might just have a hole cut in the stock, for your thumb to go into, when you fire it. It's like you painted your car to look like a formula 1 race car - and now you get speeding tickets while the car is still parked at the curb. What IS an assault weapon? That's any weapon that has been used for assaulting an enemy position. What it seems to be today, is any carbine (a short rifle), and a semi-automatic. We've had carbines since firearms were first made, because they were much easier to carry on horseback, than the standard long rifle. Both sides used carbines for their cavalry in the Civil War for instance, they were used by the cavalry troops in the Indian wars, and by both sides in both World Wars, of course. They are preferred for hunting (in thick brush), and in close street fighting, in war. They were not always semi-automatic, of course. The AK-47 and AR-15 are both carbines. Note that they are LESS POWERFUL than the EXACT SAME bullet, fired from a standard length hunting rifle. Shorter barrel means less speed on the bullet, as it leaves the rifle. Less speed means less power, and a shorter range. In Newtown, the mother of the killer, used to take her mentally disturbed son with her, to the range. She taught him to shoot! She also showed him where the guns were stored, and how to get them out. Oh Brilliant!! The best suggestions I've heard to help prevent another school massacre are: 1) Harden the schools. Right now, schools are designed for easy access by students and teachers. That alone, makes them easy targets. Lots of specifics can be done, without making the school a "prison". 2) Encourage one or two responsible administrators, to get trained and concealed carry permits. Just like detectives and secret service, and P.I's - no gun showing, but it's there. Teachers won't be good for this, because they won't want to wear the holster, and the pistol will wind up in a desk drawer (typically unsecured), and a student will be able to access it. 3) Firearms should be removed from a home with a schizophrenic/paranoid type individual, in it. Perhaps a single revolver would be OK, with just a few bullets - not semi-automatics, and not a lot of ammo. 4) Mentally disturbed persons should not be taught to use firearms, and should not be allowed at the range. If Mom wants to have shooting fun with her disturbed son, she can get any number of air guns, nerf guns, water guns, or even paint -pellet guns, and have a blast. Real guns? No! The utterly ridiculous suggestions to remove guns from cities/schools/theaters, etc. shows a complete lack of how criminals with guns, think. They don't CARE about the gun LAWS. They're not going to obey them! They WANT to shoot people who are unarmed, in large groups, and who can't get away quickly. Removing guns from law abiding people, means turning people into Sheep-people, and that's just what the wolf dreams about, isn't it? I note with interest that CA Senator Dianne Feinstein has again spoken out in favor of gun control. Quite the hypocrite Senator, since YOU HAVE A CONCEALED gun CARRY PERMIT, yourself!