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Originally posted by u4ever
Ok. I see that you are a wisest one here. Can you clear an idea of 'pro life' for me?
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I don't know about wis
est but I'll do what I can to clarify the argument.
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1. Fetus is a separate person, so if we kill him/her - it is a murder. Right?
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As it stands, the law isn't settled on whether it is a person or not. Conservatives, in general, say that from conception it is a person and should be afforded all consideration that a walking, breathing, voting person should. Liberals, in general, espouse a greater concern for the mother and her personal rights, but havn't been able to get anyone to agree as to when a fetus becomes a person. There are, of course, many shades in that spectrum.
In my opinion, when the fetus goes from being a parasite, in the clinical sense, to being able to survive if it was outside of the womb it should be given the considerations of a person. Before that it should fall under prosecution other than murder. I know that that may seem a bit arbitrary, but until someone actually hands down a solid standard by which to measure and/or prosecute people there are going to be people who escape prosecution who deserve it and people who get the hammer dropped on them when a lesser punishment was deserved.
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Originally posted by u4ever
2. State can make a decision to cut someone’s body (woman) for benefit of said separate person (Fetus). Right?
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This one is tough, but I say no. The caveat here is that you can respect a person's physical liberty but still prosecute them for the results of their decision. The problem is, in cases similar to this one, where a mother was doing drugs when she knew she was pregnant. If that child comes out damaged she should be prosecuted for endangerment
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Originally posted by u4ever
So, basically State can make decision to butcher anybody if that can benefit some person. Am I right? Or I lost a track somewhere?
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No, they can't.
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(there can be a milder versions, like they can take just your blood, so there will be no trace of surgery...)
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They can take your blood once it's out, but even in the psychiatric facility where I worked patients could refuse blood for bloodwork.