[Radar]

Then certainly you'd have no quibble with the decisions of voters for whom these rights are self-evident.

Many recognize that rights are self-evident, but are stupid enough to be misled into thinking they can vote on anything or that a group of people have more rights than a single individual even over their own body which is obviously false. Some are under the impression that rights are granted to us by government; probably because they were educated by the government. Many don't realize that their rights don't include telling other people how to live their lives, what they may or may not consume, etc. These tend to be the same people who want to shove their religion down your throat through legislation and violate the important principle of separation of church and state our nation was built upon. These people chip away at the foundation of freedom and individual rights this nation was built on.

So, I would have no quibble over the decisions of voters, as long as they are only voting on issues they have a legitimate authority to vote on. Issues like gay marriage and abortion don't qualify. Those aren't up to anyone but those taking part and can never be legitimately voted on.

You're asking me to believe that the vagina is a miracle portal, and that passage through it imbues sentience, feelings, and conciousness, and that every moment before that, the baby has none.

I'm not asking you to believe anything. And a newborn baby really doesn't have sentience either (self-awareness). They don't know they have hands or the ability to remember things 5 minutes ago, let alone have the ability to grasp concepts pertaining to ones self.

What I was saying though is that whether or not the baby (babies are post birth, a fetus is inside of the womb) is fully sentient it has been removed from its host and is now a separate person. While a fetus is within the woman up until the moment of actual birth it is a parasite and has no claim on the life of its host. Nobody may tell another what they may or may not do with thier own body, even if they happen to live inside of it.