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Originally posted by Undertoad
Yes, it turned out Powell was... mistaken.
I hear the centrifuges in Libya were real, what do you hear?
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Centrifuges in Libya were real. Khadaffi gave them to the US. Don't know if they are yet in the US. More interesting is where the centrifuges come from. Not from the Axis of Evil. They come from a close American ally - Pakistan.
There is much to worry about when it comes to 'dangerous' situations. Is it just an accident that more than one-half the world's plutonium is in Japan? One must remember that threats can arise from anywhere. According to the doctrine of pre-emption, we should attack Japan? Of course not. The doctrine is fundamentally flawed. But 'dangerous' situations is why, more than ever, we need the UN.
Threats are exposed by facts - not from a list of evil. Facts do not justify the Axis of Evil speech. Those facts justified an important mission by Carter to N Korea - and why the Russians were so actively helping CIA to monitor N Korea. Facts even say that Libya had been slowly trying to move back into the world of responsible nations over the last five years - which is why they gave up those centrifuges and its provider as proof of their desire to change.
Why is N Korea on the list whereas Libya and Pakistan were not? When the Axis of Evil speech was given, we had already known about these other two countries - and about those centrifuges. So what facts were used to create an Axis of Evil list? Were they mistaken or did the Vulcans already have a pre-ordained agenda?