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Originally posted by Slartibartfast
You spent half your post leading up to saying that the laity of the church should elect bishops and the Pope as a solution to their discontent. I'm just pointing out that that's not going to happen because the church is not a democracy. Did I read you wrong or did you read me wrong?
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The point was that the church is violating what previous Popes would not have done - try to manipulate the government of the United States. Read the original post and read that newspaper article from NewsDay to appreciate the context of this discussion.
If the church wants to pervert American principles, then we should advocate a democratic election of the Pope with the intent of making that Pope subservient to the American people - the largest source of Church wealth.
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Solution - let the Catholics elect the Pope either by electing their bishops or by direct elections. Or the Pope should just bite his tongue, stay silent, and therefore become a responsible world citizen.
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Making the Pope democractically elected was how to attack an institution that would pervert the Constitution of the United States. Yes, this Pope is attacking fundamental principles on which the Government of the United States is founded. We are not a Catholic nation. Church doctrine has no place in American laws. To subvert that enemy of America, we should force that Pope to campaign for office - either conform to democracy and American principles; or get out of American's lives where he does not belong.
I consider a Pope trying to enforce his religious concepts on me as a direct attack to my American liberties. This Pope has instructed his ambassadors to attack our political leaders - include NJ governor McGreevey. Other attacks on American politicians by church bishops and Cardinals were also listed in that article.
Nothing would more threaten a dictatorship such as Vatican City then to have its leaders democratically elected. Vatican City and especially this pope fears democracy. But then such fears exist when top management has been it power too long. The pope should have resigned maybe 10 years ago.