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The Un-Tuckian
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: South Central...KY that is
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Washington & Colorado Legalize Recreational Marijuana
Oh happy day, OH HAPPY DAY!!!!!!
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Goon Squad Leader
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Seattle
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I voted in favor of Initiative 502, the legalization of marijuana in Washington. I'm glad it's passing. Still over a million ballots to be counted as of this morning, so, not conclusive. But it does have a very large lead and is likely to be reversed.
It's the end of prohibition, and it's gonna be bloody.
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Franklin Pierce
Join Date: Oct 2006
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This also brings up the question of how we should address harder drugs and the drug war in general.
I'm for weed legalization as long as its treated like alcohol but I would not want to see it extended to harder drugs such as cocaine or LSD. However, I am against the overtop drug war. Also, are companies still allowed perform drug tests in those states?
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erika
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: "the high up north"
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That's interesting, ph45, cause like - I wouldn't call LSD a harder drug the way I'd call coke. LSD, shrooms, weed, dxm... nah, shit should be legal and regulated. MDMA i'm not sure about, but it's largely much less harmful than most drugs. Coke, crack, heroin, meth, nah way bro.
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Franklin Pierce
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LSD is a drug that can have drastically different effects depending on the hit and person. One person may be able to take LSD on a regular basis (once a month) for years and experience very little negative effects while another person may be fucked up for life by taking a single hit. I'm not opposed to people using it, I would argue no legal consequences unless you are dealing, but it is something that should not be promoted within our society in any way. Too much uncertainty.
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Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Dystopia
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And from what I understand, there were many likely beneficial effects of this compound being researched (with great promise) when it was made illegal. So if we "don't know enough about it" it's because it was made illegal. I don't want to digress from the main subject here, into a more questionable landscape, but I do struggle with this particular argument. Regarding the main point here, about marijuana use, I think the people (the people I know, anyway) are clear how they feel about this. I think we're waiting fore some dottering old hardliners, who believe the internet is a series of tubes, to (sorry to have to say this) die off. And leave the rest of us sensible folk the hell alone. To be clear here, I don't smoke. But if you do, I don't care if you do. I also don't care who you sleep with or if you have any religious leanings--these things are none of my business, and for goddamn sure none of the government's business.
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Franklin Pierce
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With LSD, there are known permanent side effects that can affect people for the rest of their lives. See HPPD (Hallucinogen persisting perception disorder). Almost all the specifics are unknown about this condition besides that it is really bad for people who get it. I don't believe that this, and similar side effects, justify LSD's prohibition but I want to make a point that society has to make a decision before sufficient evidence surfaces. Only in hindsight will we know if the decision was good or not. However, my argument for LSD is more of a pragmatic one. While I don't see it negatively effecting society because its prevalence is low and the risk of major side effects is even lower, I don't think the drug should be promoted by society due to the current uncertainty about its safety. Since it is already illegal, the act of legalizing LSD itself is a form of promotion and I believe that should be avoided. Personally, I don't care if people use it (almost every single one of my friends have used it, including myself) but the uncertainty associated with LSD is too much for it to be considered "safe". However, as I mentioned, I think that LSD and similar drugs should basically be decriminalized. No one should go to jail over their use. With regards to weed, I agree with you. I don't see it as much different than alcohol (better than alcohol in my opinion). Both are drugs that employers ideally shouldn't have a say with but unfortunately, both drugs can control some people's lives, affecting their working ability. Basically, the entire drug argument comes down to the fact that we are forced to make a one size fits all decision on substances that effects everyone differently. There will never be a "fair" decision but I think we should strive to at least make a rational one. Our current drug laws are far from rational, and yes, many people will have to die (old geezers) before a rational discussion on the this topic can even occur.
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Drug tests make no sense. You can do coke for an entire week and 3 days later you're clean. More quickly if you drink more water. If you hit a joint at your friend's party two months ago you can fail, and get fired. Marijuana is fat soluble and can stay in your system for a very long time.
Mandated by the insurance companies, for money. Of course doing drugs ON THE JOB is dangerous. So is drinking on the job. So we don't tolerate drinking on the job and we won't tolerate being stoned on the job. It's not rocket science so why all the fear (from the opponents?) |
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erika
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: "the high up north"
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Even being stoned on the job depends honestly.
i've been stoned at work loads of times. As long as i don't get like, USELESSLY high, a bit of a buzz helps me focus and actually increases my productivity. depends on the person, depends on the job. I wouldn't want my surgeon or my cop or my building inspector to be high on the job. Mechanic? actor? chef? office monkey? paper pusher? why the hell not? I know folks who could definitely take apart and put back together an engine better high than sober. Weed doesn't intoxicate at all the same way alcohol does. Sure, most employers would say, yeah, okay, dont come in high. fine. But I can imagine that a lot of small businesses wouldnt give a fuck if it didnt affect performance.
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Back in my heyday...it was awesome to take a quick break and catch a buzz while working at the bar. Of course, having a couple drinks was OK too if you don't get stupid. I think it's hard to get stupid smoking weed (at least the crap shit you find these days...bring back my heyday with sensi and indica.) Working on tiny assemblies and soldering too...you could get so focused. I wouldn't do it now. Though I tell you...it sure would help with the stress. ![]() |
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erika
Join Date: Apr 2006
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Actually, the average THC content per mg of plant matter has gone up a LOT in the past 40 years and is continuing to rise. Shit's getting danker, not worse.
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As long as it doesn't negatively impact the work, employers shouldn't care. And if it does negatively impact the work, the employers can discipline based on the poor performance, not on the reason behind the poor performance.
I don't see a reason for drug tests. Just fire the kid for eating all the twinkies in the 7-11, not for being high. |
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[thisisn'tme] I've heard that too...but having been alive and kicking it in the 80s I'm not seeing it. I certainly haven't had a one hit wonder in about 20 years. Of course, it could be a local problem.[/thisisn'tme]
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You haven't been smoking the same stuff I have been smoking IM.
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