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[tw]

In a curious sidebar, Son of Sam who terrorize NYC nightlife and murdered numerous young people was up for parole. He was not sentenced to death. But he refused parole saying someone like him should never be allowed out of prison considering what he had done.

[richlevy]

Originally posted by OnyxCougar
I wouldn't mock them (publicly), but that's just courtesy.

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No, it's not lack of courtesy, it callousness. When murderers are sentenced, the jury looks for words or actions that show some sense of remorse or the existence of a conscience. The ones you don't want walking on the street are the ones who show no emotions or mock their victims.

GWB was enforcing the law. He had the right and duty as he saw fit. However, if he really did as he was accused and mocked the woman whose execution he approved, then that shows he does not have the capacity to understand the consequences of his actions.

If that account is true, and unless there was some extenuating circumstance like shock or extreme grief, then the man was behaving like a sociopath.

BTW, I would like to see some additional confirmation of that incident. Was there video?

Originally posted by richlevy


BTW, I would like to see some additional confirmation of that incident. Was there video?

Not a video, but you can get the picture and quote here:

http://www.ccadp.org/bushkills.htm

Technical point: According to Texas law, the govener CAN commute a sentence of death unless expressly prevented from doing so by the Texas Board of Parole in an individual case. I can find no statistic on how many of those cases in which GW Jr. had that option. He might have been able to commute every single one of them - or none. The fact remains that he publicly ridiculed a condemned woman's plea for clemency. Whether you believe in the death penalty or not, I would hope that you believe justice be given out impartially. Ridicule does not befit the govener of one of our States, much less the President of our Country; nor does it add to the respect due our system of justice. Bush's show of persuing his lips and imitating the prisoner made a mockery of our system by its very act.

[jaguar]

Bush appears to be about as mentally balanced as a spinning top, if not for his family he'd be a homeless drunk by now. Considering the black & white view of the world he is such a proponant of his lack of compassion and sociopathic tendancies should be of no surprise to anyone. Morrissey has the right idea, remote lime pit and a couple of rounds and the world would be a safer place.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by jaguar

Bush appears to be about as mentally balanced as a spinning top, if not for his family he'd be a homeless drunk by now. Considering the black & white view of the world he is such a proponant of his lack of compassion and sociopathic tendancies should be of no surprise to anyone. Morrissey has the right idea, remote lime pit and a couple of rounds and the world would be a safer place.

As true as that may, or may not, be, Bush isn't the only one.

The problem with politics is the politicians. It's endemic, there is no cure short of, how would you put it, policide is the wrong word, there has to be a word for killing all of the politicians.

[bluesdave]

Bush's biggest problem is that he introduces his religion into everything he does. If he had just managed Texas like a good administrator should, and then did the same for the whole US, without constantly tying his Christianity into it, he would have eliminated at least 50 percent of the criticism he receives. By bringing religion into the equation he alienates both the atheists/agnostics, and those Christians who believe in the separation of religion and state.

In my opinion the whole debate on the death penalty gets sidetracked every time. I think we should look at the question in a clinical way. If a person commits premeditated murder, and the evidence against them is solid, and overwhelming, they should be removed from our society in exactly the same manner as you would put down a rabid dog. I used to believe that it would also save us money, as opposed to having to support the murderer in prison for the remainder of his, or her life, but I have been assured that in fact it is cheaper to keep them in prison, than to execute them (see here).

The problem I have with the death penalty is that innocent people do get executed, and also if you are wealthy and well connected, you can get off (look at OJ for example). If we can't do it in a fair, and even handed way, we should not be doing it at all. It should not be necessary to bring religion, morality, or Bush's intelligence into the argument.

[Catwoman]

I've missed you jag.

[jaguar]

TS I think the phrase you're looking for is 'a gift to humanity'. There are alot of scary people in power but you'd think, being the ;eader of hte free world and all the US could do better. I mean just look at the nutjob who thinks that rape can't lead to conception wh bush just put in the Surpreme court, or Ashcroft, there's a man with issues if I ever saw one.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I mean just look at the nutjob who thinks that rape can't lead to conception wh bush just put in the Surpreme court ...

District Court. Not even a circuit appeals court. Judge Holmes has about as much sway over constitutional law as a 2nd year law student at University of Phoenix.

The actual quote was, "conceptions from rape occur with approximately the same frequency as snowfall in Miami." He's not saying they don't occur. He's saying they represent a miniscule percentage of actual abortions performed. He later withdrew the remark and apologized for it: ""The articulation of that sentence reflects an insensitivity for which there is no excuse and for which I apologize."

Let's be sure our hyperbole doesn't slide over the line into outright propoganda, OK?

-sm

[jaguar]

I was under the impression it was the supreme court, I was aware he had retracted the quote, he still said it. I'm fairly sure he meant to imply they didn't happen as well. I'm still wondering why I put an r in supreme. Orrin Hatch, one of the guys that backed him is the same one who spends most of his life on his knees in from the RIAA and MPAA, another prime candidate for retroactive abortion.

[smoothmoniker]

Originally Posted by jaguar

I was under the impression it was the supreme court, I was aware he had retracted the quote, he still said it. I'm fairly sure he meant to imply they didn't happen as well.

So you're fact checking goes through a rigorous "impression" filter, but you still feel pretty confident that you know what the guy meant?

I call horshit. Those who don't know the specifics of an event are precluded from drawing inferences from it.

-sm

[Happy Monkey]

How often does it snow in Miami?

[Clodfobble]

Google turned this up:

"On January 19, 1977, Old Man Winter paid an unwelcomed visit to residents of Miami, Florida (yes, Florida, not Ohio) and brought along a surprise gift -- snow! For the first time in the history of the extreme south of Florida, snow danced through the air and dusted the ground briefly. A quarter century later, the scene has not been repeated."

http://www.islandnet.com/~see/weathe...2/alm02jan.htm

[Happy Monkey]

It seems that jaguar's inference is pretty reasonable.

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

It seems that jaguar's inference is pretty reasonable.

I must agree. I'm surprised to hear there was even a single recorded instance of snow in Miami. "Snow in Miami" is the equivalent of a "snowball's chance in hell."