frightening flight experience

Pie · 07-20-2004, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Seems Capt. Peck is more worried about noncitizens rights(feelings) than airline safety. Wrong priorities, methinks.

Whatever happened to "presumed innocent till proven guilty"? Or does that only apply to Christians?
-Pie

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2004, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Pie

Whatever happened to "presumed innocent till proven guilty"? Or does that only apply to Christians?
-Pie

That pertains to punishment not prevention or investigations.
Considering the laundry list of bombings and hijackings committed by middle eastern men between ages 20 and 40, anyone trying to prevent more would be stupid not to notice, and yes investigate, anyone fitting that profile. It's just common sense to anyone charged with protecting us from these acts.

Pie · 07-20-2004, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That pertains to punishment not prevention or investigations.
Considering the laundry list of bombings and hijackings committed by middle eastern men between ages 20 and 40, anyone trying to prevent more would be stupid not to notice, and yes investigate, anyone fitting that profile. It's just common sense to anyone charged with protecting us from these acts.

Hmmmm. I thought racial profiling was not accepted practice. Well, let's just pack off all the Japanese back to their internment camps...

- Pie

xoxoxoBruce · 07-20-2004, 10:02 PM

You're right, it's not accepted practice and that's just plain stupid. Every law enforcement professional knows that. Being politically correct is not the best way to prevent the atrocities these people have in mind.
Your internment camp remark is a straw man I won't bother to address. :p

Kitsune · 07-20-2004, 10:23 PM

Considering the laundry list of bombings and hijackings committed by middle eastern men between ages 20 and 40

Say we were to concentrate our efforts on Middle Eastern men aged 20-40. How long do you think their efforts to sneak weapons in on themselves is going to last? Do you think they would just keep trying it over and over again, knowing that it is almost a garuntee they will get searched?

Granny and the kids aren't going to get searched, so how long do you think it will be before a Middle Eastern man, aged 20-40, figures out he can sneak the weapon in on his kid? Or how long do you think it will be before the terrorists start using people other than Middle Eastern men? Plenty of Islamic extremists in the Phillipenes and Africa that would love to walk into a plane knowing they aren't going to get searched because the TSA is too busy checking the eight Middle Eastern males who are also boarding.

Random searches = good.
Limiting the scope of your security based on an expected pattern = bad.

Elspode · 07-20-2004, 11:08 PM

Ignoring the most likely perpetrator of a hijacking and/or terrorist act because it might be deemed politically incorrect = Really Fucking Stupid and We Deserve to Die

07-20-2004, 10:02 PM	#4
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	You're right, it's not accepted practice and that's just plain stupid. Every law enforcement professional knows that. Being politically correct is not the best way to prevent the atrocities these people have in mind. Your internment camp remark is a straw man I won't bother to address. :p __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

07-20-2004, 11:08 PM	#6
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	Ignoring the most likely perpetrator of a hijacking and/or terrorist act because it might be deemed politically incorrect = Really Fucking Stupid and We Deserve to Die __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

07-20-2004, 10:23 PM	#5
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Considering the laundry list of bombings and hijackings committed by middle eastern men between ages 20 and 40 Say we were to concentrate our efforts on Middle Eastern men aged 20-40. How long do you think their efforts to sneak weapons in on themselves is going to last? Do you think they would just keep trying it over and over again, knowing that it is almost a garuntee they will get searched? Granny and the kids aren't going to get searched, so how long do you think it will be before a Middle Eastern man, aged 20-40, figures out he can sneak the weapon in on his kid? Or how long do you think it will be before the terrorists start using people other than Middle Eastern men? Plenty of Islamic extremists in the Phillipenes and Africa that would love to walk into a plane knowing they aren't going to get searched because the TSA is too busy checking the eight Middle Eastern males who are also boarding. Random searches = good. Limiting the scope of your security based on an expected pattern = bad.

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