Petersen headed for death row - Page 2

Cyber Wolf · 12-14-2004, 07:59 AM

I wonder if they have Ross on suicide watch for that very reason...he's likely figured he'll die in prison waiting to be killed before he actually gets his turn. And if the people in charge of keeping death row inmates alive long enough are bright enough, they'll figure that would be his next move.

Unless Ross has personal opposition to doing himself in...

404Error · 12-14-2004, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Cyber Wolf

I wonder if they have Ross on suicide watch for that very reason...he's likely figured he'll die in prison waiting to be killed before he actually gets his turn. And if the people in charge of keeping death row inmates alive long enough are bright enough, they'll figure that would be his next move.

Unless Ross has personal opposition to doing himself in...

Actually, he's not on a watch right now but he did try to do himself in a few years ago. Saved up his daily restricted medications and overdosed. After that they made him promise to be a good boy and wait for the state to get their collective shit together to do it the right way. Obviously he's still waiting.

When Ross was first sentenced and put on death row back in 1985, we had no 'death row' per se, he was the first since the 1960's. They put him in the cell reserved for the next *dead man* and set up a desk in front of it so we could have a guard posted there 24/7. I spent many a long, boring 2nd shift nights watching Ross sleep, eat, taking a crap, and even talking to him on occasion. It was well over a year before a CC tv was put in place so we could watch him from the officer's desk at the front of the cell block.

cjjulie · 12-14-2004, 01:50 PM

i understand due process and all but the fact that it takes sooooooo long is absolutely mind boggling. The fact that there are 650 in front of Peterson is also mid boggling...what's the point. He will just end up dying in prison anyway - he should be shot. Just end it.

404Error · 12-18-2004, 09:04 AM

The 'Quotation Of The Day' in todays NYTimes:

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"The comment may sound a bit whimsical, but it's literally true that the leading cause of death on death row is old age."
RONALD M. GEORGE, the chief justice of the California Supreme Court.

Uh, ya think?

wolf · 01-06-2005, 02:24 PM

For the same reason that the girl who got her boyfriend to beat her in the abdomen with a baseball bat until she miscarried gets to walk away, I guess.

A source other than WND.

russotto · 01-06-2005, 02:57 PM

The legislators who passed the law preventing those under-18 from getting a legal abortion without their parent's permission should be on trial for that one. This was a predictable (and likely predicted) result.

elf · 01-06-2005, 03:12 PM

I'm pretty sure that Andrea Yates isn't 'going free' anywhere. . . I thought it was just a decision as to whether she will do her time in a jail cell or on a mental ward unit. . . no? Criminally insane, that sort of thing?

lookout123 · 01-06-2005, 03:43 PM

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The legislators who passed the law preventing those under-18 from getting a legal abortion without their parent's permission should be on trial for that one. This was a predictable (and likely predicted) result.

Under the age of 18 individuals aren't free to do a lot of things without parental notification and consent. A 17 year old girl can't go in and get a breast augmentation or reduction, oral surgery, or even lasic surgery done without parental notification. if they can't do those things, why would it be acceptable for them to go in and have an abortion without notifying the parents?

Under 18, in most states, a female can't even give consent to sexual relations with someone over 18. She can't even sign up for extra curricular activities at the school without parental consent. The reasoning is that she is too young to know what is, and isn't in her best interests. Hell, intheory she can't even go to some movies.

I'm not preaching to ban abortion, but I think parental consent is reasonable to expect before performing a surgical procedure on a child. Even though they may not look like kids on the outside, they still are children.

russotto · 01-07-2005, 10:45 AM

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Under the age of 18 individuals aren't free to do a lot of things without parental notification and consent. A 17 year old girl can't go in and get a breast augmentation or reduction, oral surgery, or even lasic surgery done without parental notification. if they can't do those things, why would it be acceptable for them to go in and have an abortion without notifying the parents?

Because the possibility of an abortion is irrefutable proof that the person is old enough to have one. And because unlike any of those other operation, an abortion has to be done SOON. Because it should not be a parent's choice about whether her teenaged daughter has a child.

I disagree with many other ages of consent, but even if we must have them, we should not have one for abortion.

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I'm not preaching to ban abortion, but I think parental consent is reasonable to expect before performing a surgical procedure on a child. Even though they may not look like kids on the outside, they still are children.

They are NOT children. They are adolescents. There's a big difference, that difference being the one which makes abortion an issue at all.

lookout123 · 01-07-2005, 11:24 AM

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Because the possibility of an abortion is irrefutable proof that the person is old enough to have one.

If the says they aren't old enough to decide who they want to have sex with without restriction, then they aren't old enough to decide. the physical ability to get pregnant doesn't say anything about decision making ability. By your reasoning that 9 year old that got pregnant last year should have been able to walk into the clinic and have an abortion without her parents knowing about it.
If a parent or guardian has to sign off on every other aspect of a minor's life, there shouldn't be an exception on one surgical procedure.

Clodfobble · 01-06-2005, 03:57 PM

I'm pretty sure that Andrea Yates isn't 'going free' anywhere. . . I thought it was just a decision as to whether she will do her time in a jail cell or on a mental ward unit. . . no? Criminally insane, that sort of thing?

She's getting a new trial. I'm sure the second jury will find her just as guilty as the first one.

lookout123 · 01-06-2005, 04:20 PM

yeah, more tax payer money for someone they should have just shot the day they found her.

Troubleshooter · 01-06-2005, 04:23 PM

This one falls in my "why doesn't matter" category.

lookout123 · 01-06-2005, 04:28 PM

i hear you. i don't think there could possibly be any acceptable or understandable reason for this behaviour. the world would be better served if the cops walked over to Ms Yates, she confessed, the cops brought in an unbiased third party to witness the confession again. everybody nods at each other before putting two holes in her forehead. insane or not, she's just a waste of oxygen at this point.

xoxoxoBruce · 01-06-2005, 04:38 PM

Speaking of Peterson (I am), The other day I saw a website claiming that he was railroaded and asked for donations to secure his release and find the real culprit.

I won't bother to go look for it because I know you don't want to donate.

12-14-2004, 07:59 AM	#1
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	I wonder if they have Ross on suicide watch for that very reason...he's likely figured he'll die in prison waiting to be killed before he actually gets his turn. And if the people in charge of keeping death row inmates alive long enough are bright enough, they'll figure that would be his next move. Unless Ross has personal opposition to doing himself in... __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

01-06-2005, 02:24 PM	#5
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	For the same reason that the girl who got her boyfriend to beat her in the abdomen with a baseball bat until she miscarried gets to walk away, I guess. A source other than WND. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis Last edited by wolf; 01-06-2005 at 02:26 PM.

01-06-2005, 04:20 PM	#12
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	yeah, more tax payer money for someone they should have just shot the day they found her. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

01-06-2005, 04:23 PM	#13
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	This one falls in my "why doesn't matter" category. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

01-06-2005, 04:28 PM	#14
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	i hear you. i don't think there could possibly be any acceptable or understandable reason for this behaviour. the world would be better served if the cops walked over to Ms Yates, she confessed, the cops brought in an unbiased third party to witness the confession again. everybody nods at each other before putting two holes in her forehead. insane or not, she's just a waste of oxygen at this point. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

12-14-2004, 01:50 PM	#3
cjjulie Colonist Extraordinaire Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: CT Posts: 201	i understand due process and all but the fact that it takes sooooooo long is absolutely mind boggling. The fact that there are 650 in front of Peterson is also mid boggling...what's the point. He will just end up dying in prison anyway - he should be shot. Just end it.

01-06-2005, 02:57 PM	#6
russotto Professor Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 1,788	The legislators who passed the law preventing those under-18 from getting a legal abortion without their parent's permission should be on trial for that one. This was a predictable (and likely predicted) result.

01-06-2005, 03:12 PM	#7
elf Yay! We're Dooomed! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Mostly: New York. Most Recently: New Jersey. Currently: Colorado Posts: 214	I'm pretty sure that Andrea Yates isn't 'going free' anywhere. . . I thought it was just a decision as to whether she will do her time in a jail cell or on a mental ward unit. . . no? Criminally insane, that sort of thing?

01-06-2005, 03:57 PM	#11
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	I'm pretty sure that Andrea Yates isn't 'going free' anywhere. . . I thought it was just a decision as to whether she will do her time in a jail cell or on a mental ward unit. . . no? Criminally insane, that sort of thing? She's getting a new trial. I'm sure the second jury will find her just as guilty as the first one.

01-06-2005, 04:38 PM	#15
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Speaking of Peterson (I am), The other day I saw a website claiming that he was railroaded and asked for donations to secure his release and find the real culprit. I won't bother to go look for it because I know you don't want to donate. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

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