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Kitsune · 03-30-2006, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

quick question @all: won't "bad" threads drop off the page automatically, if ignored? (I mean, not posted on)

Nope. One thread can get 2,000 replies and be very popular while 20 threads with 0 replies will push it off. The opposite is true.

Flint · 03-30-2006, 03:25 PM

@Kitsune: Right, but when the zero replies are recieved, each reply on the other thread will push it back up, a "bump" - isn't this a democratic process for "voting" on which threads are "good" and which are "bad"? I understand that new threads are initially at the top. (btw I still don't know what "saging" is)

Happy Monkey · 03-30-2006, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

- isn't this a democratic process for "voting" on which threads are "good" and which are "bad"?

Democratic? All it takes is one reply, and it's back to the top. They're ordered by most recent, not most popular. That's how a ton of nothing threads can keep the good ones down, especially if new ones keep being generated.

Flint · 03-30-2006, 03:47 PM

@Happy Monkey: I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but, statistically speaking, the threads that "nobody" likes will be replaced by the theads that are active. One reply, one "vote" at a time, the board will take the shape of what the people who are actually posting there want it to be. This isn't a deliberate process, it's an automatic occurance.

Happy Monkey · 03-30-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

@Happy Monkey: I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but, statistically speaking, the threads that "nobody" likes will be replaced by the theads that are active.

Unless you read everything, a ton of nothing posts can drown out a more substantial one before you get a chance to see it. If you do read everything, a ton of nothing posts is annoying in a completely different way.

Kitsune · 03-30-2006, 03:47 PM

I'd agree if the general layout encouraged it, but that doesn't seem to be how it works on the vB boards I've been on. Starting a plethora of threads on a scroll-style board has always been accepted while it generally gets viewed as spam on vB-style systems. Here, threads tend to appear in sparse numbers. If you scroll through the history of the board, you'll notice the pattern.

I couldn't explain on a technical level why the interface seems to encourage the post style it does, but it seems to work that way at most places like this and I tend to think that this is what the system was designed to accommodate. New threads are few, posts tend to run relatively long, and more time is invested in the content. I don't doubt that the community has a great deal of influence, too, but I just don't see scroll-style content on most vB/phpBB boards.

I can't say you're free to do as you wish here (I don't run this place, or any other), but I can say that creating a high number of threads in a short period of time is generally viewed as spam because it isn't what people expect. If that's your thing, I suppose you can do it, but I'm not sure you should expect the warmest reception.

As for SAGEing, I was once on an image board running Wakachan (mostly used for image posts, namely anime artwork) that recognized "SAGE" as the opposite of "BUMP" -- it would actively push the thread down in the list if people didn't approve of it, allowing for a vote. Digg uses thumbs-up/down to push comments down.

SteveBsjb · 03-30-2006, 03:50 PM

hahaha @ SAGEing! hahahaha! that is classic! We needed that at AG, just for laughs.

Kitsune · 03-30-2006, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveBsjb

hahaha @ SAGEing! hahahaha! that is classic! We needed that at AG, just for laughs.

It was actually really useful, as threads that were inappropriate or didn't meet the subject of the board didn't last long. The entire place could police itself fairly well just by what the users bumped/saged. If spam was posted, there were plenty of times you never even saw it -- the stuff was gone in the blink of an eye because it would be attacked. One problem with that, however, is that controversial topics would get burried by a couple people that opposed the discussion. Democracy, at least on that board, didn't encourage discussion very well. It was great for art and photographs, though.

Flint · 03-30-2006, 03:51 PM

@Kitsune: Again, splitting hairs here, but isn't this a "scroll style" board? If not, why not? New posts and responded posts go to the top, unresponded posts sink to the bottom. Is that not "scrolling" or am I missing something?

Kitsune · 03-30-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Flint

@Kitsune: Again, splitting hairs here, but isn't this a "scroll style" board? If not, why not? New posts and responded posts go to the top, unresponded posts sink to the bottom. Is that not "scrolling" or am I missing something?

I'm really hitting my head on the desk, here, trying to think of a good way to explain it. Honestly, I can't. You really could flood the board with new threads and maybe it really is a community preference to not act as a scroll-style board. I just know that every vB board I've ever been on avoided that and even the site that designs it operates much in the same way The Cellar does. The replies method, quotes, interface, all seem to lend themselves to less threads/more content. (at least, to me they do)

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Originally Posted by SteveBsjb

Thank God for someone that answers questions from newbies. Sorry if it's interfering with work (but isn't that what message boards do?)

Ah, I'm still 'new' to this board, in a way. I have a fair amount of posts, but I'm certainly not part of the close-knit community of the original and long-standing members. I just kind of float in, post something in the debates, people get mad, and I return some days later to find the debate has caught fire and switched topics entirely or boiled down to basic insults. It's awesome.

Work? What work? Oh that work. ...but it is nearly beer o'clock and skipping out early today sounds oh-so-sweet.

SteveBsjb · 03-30-2006, 04:07 PM

I'm with you Kit, it's gorgeous out today. And I'm waiting for a friend to call me for happy hour today. (C'mon already, Joe!) Outdoor drinking, on the sidewalk in NYC, drinking big margaritas.... if we dont get it done today, I have it set for tomorrow as well.

Grrrr... already it's getting cool out too. I vote for half day at work tomorrow for everybody.

Happy Monkey · 03-30-2006, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveBsjb

Grrrr... already it's getting cool out too. I vote for half day at work tomorrow for everybody.

I've got the whole day off.

Of course, I'm also getting a filling, so that mitigates it a bit.

SteveBsjb · 03-30-2006, 03:53 PM

I was going to ask the same thing. This seems like a scroll style board to me.

I think Kit is being very helpful and patient with us. Thank God for someone that answers questions from newbies. Sorry if it's interfering with work (but isn't that what message boards do?)

Flint · 03-30-2006, 03:54 PM

Hell, I'm at work right now too. So is Steve. :::cha-ching::: ha ha ha

Flint · 03-30-2006, 04:22 PM

I was off all day yesterday. Went to the baby doctor with my wife (expecting), then when to the dentist, then went to get our taxes done. We got money back, which was unexpected, and then Guitar Center called to say a hardware packeage had come in for me, so I went down there and bought a hydraulic throne and a new Pearl signature Steve Ferrone snare drum (re-creation of an old Ludwig Black Beauty snare, but with chrome tube lugs and gold-plated hoops!)

03-30-2006, 03:25 PM	#2
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@Kitsune: Right, but when the zero replies are recieved, each reply on the other thread will push it back up, a "bump" - isn't this a democratic process for "voting" on which threads are "good" and which are "bad"? I understand that new threads are initially at the top. (btw I still don't know what "saging" is) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-30-2006, 03:47 PM	#4
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@Happy Monkey: I understand what you're saying, and maybe I'm just splitting hairs here, but, statistically speaking, the threads that "nobody" likes will be replaced by the theads that are active. One reply, one "vote" at a time, the board will take the shape of what the people who are actually posting there want it to be. This isn't a deliberate process, it's an automatic occurance. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-30-2006, 03:50 PM	#7
SteveBsjb Operations Operative Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moved from Manhattan to Edgewater, NJ. Posts: 713	hahaha @ SAGEing! hahahaha! that is classic! We needed that at AG, just for laughs. __________________ "It's only an internet community."

03-30-2006, 03:51 PM	#9
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	@Kitsune: Again, splitting hairs here, but isn't this a "scroll style" board? If not, why not? New posts and responded posts go to the top, unresponded posts sink to the bottom. Is that not "scrolling" or am I missing something? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-30-2006, 04:07 PM	#11
SteveBsjb Operations Operative Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moved from Manhattan to Edgewater, NJ. Posts: 713	I'm with you Kit, it's gorgeous out today. And I'm waiting for a friend to call me for happy hour today. (C'mon already, Joe!) Outdoor drinking, on the sidewalk in NYC, drinking big margaritas.... if we dont get it done today, I have it set for tomorrow as well. Grrrr... already it's getting cool out too. I vote for half day at work tomorrow for everybody. __________________ "It's only an internet community."

03-30-2006, 03:47 PM	#6
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	I'd agree if the general layout encouraged it, but that doesn't seem to be how it works on the vB boards I've been on. Starting a plethora of threads on a scroll-style board has always been accepted while it generally gets viewed as spam on vB-style systems. Here, threads tend to appear in sparse numbers. If you scroll through the history of the board, you'll notice the pattern. I couldn't explain on a technical level why the interface seems to encourage the post style it does, but it seems to work that way at most places like this and I tend to think that this is what the system was designed to accommodate. New threads are few, posts tend to run relatively long, and more time is invested in the content. I don't doubt that the community has a great deal of influence, too, but I just don't see scroll-style content on most vB/phpBB boards. I can't say you're free to do as you wish here (I don't run this place, or any other), but I can say that creating a high number of threads in a short period of time is generally viewed as spam because it isn't what people expect. If that's your thing, I suppose you can do it, but I'm not sure you should expect the warmest reception. As for SAGEing, I was once on an image board running Wakachan (mostly used for image posts, namely anime artwork) that recognized "SAGE" as the opposite of "BUMP" -- it would actively push the thread down in the list if people didn't approve of it, allowing for a vote. Digg uses thumbs-up/down to push comments down.

03-30-2006, 03:53 PM	#13
SteveBsjb Operations Operative Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Moved from Manhattan to Edgewater, NJ. Posts: 713	I was going to ask the same thing. This seems like a scroll style board to me. I think Kit is being very helpful and patient with us. Thank God for someone that answers questions from newbies. Sorry if it's interfering with work (but isn't that what message boards do?) __________________ "It's only an internet community."

03-30-2006, 03:54 PM	#14
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Hell, I'm at work right now too. So is Steve. :::cha-ching::: ha ha ha __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

03-30-2006, 04:22 PM	#15
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I was off all day yesterday. Went to the baby doctor with my wife (expecting), then when to the dentist, then went to get our taxes done. We got money back, which was unexpected, and then Guitar Center called to say a hardware packeage had come in for me, so I went down there and bought a hydraulic throne and a new Pearl signature Steve Ferrone snare drum (re-creation of an old Ludwig Black Beauty snare, but with chrome tube lugs and gold-plated hoops!) __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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