Illegal to Feed Homeless in Parks - Page 13

Kitsune · 08-01-2006, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

What they may end up with is a law requiring permits to use the park, as some Jersey Shore and Delaware communities have for beach access, and many places have for parking in certain zones. Apparently they already tried a system requiring permits for gatherings more than 25, and FNB found a way to beat that. Perhaps use-permitting with differential access for residents and non-residents.

This is an interesting idea I've not seen used in any park I've been to, before. I think FNB is beating the permit system by not having genuine organized groups -- they may only use a handful of people that enter the park together. A lot of parks I've seen, lately, get funded with taxpayer dollars and are still open to the public. They're not fully accessible to anyone out side the community, though, as the entire community is gated off. Only those that live behind the gate fund the park. Almost, in essence, an HOA.

MaggieL · 08-01-2006, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

They're not fully accessible to anyone out side the community, though, as the entire community is gated off.

Yeah, that's not practical in this case based on the satellite imagery.

08-02-2006, 12:52 AM

At what point do the "authorities" decide to "ask" those receiving the food if they are homeless?
Is the next step a law that all within the Vegas city limits without a permanent address in Nevada wear an arm-band? A tattoo perhaps?
How is this to be done?

wolf · 08-02-2006, 02:09 AM

I had an opportunity tonight to talk to the Director of the local homeless shelter. I asked her about her successes, since, as it has been pointed out, I don't ever see people who do well. She said that they do indeed have them ... this week alone she has placed six people in apartments. This is an unusually high number. She didn't say what was more typical.

She was quite excited, since hers is a relatively new program, and they've been needing the boost. They usually have 60-70 people staying at their casual shelter (folks are taken by vans to different places in the county each night, usually churches or community centers. They will be opening a 50-bed permanent shelter in the near future, apparently once some life-safety code stuff gets taken care of in their building.

She is hoping that similar programs get started in the Western and Eastern parts of the county, but it is not an easy task, given the NIMBY aspects of homeless programs of any kind. The benefits of opening other shelters is that it would allow each section of the county to focus on service provision for their own homeless residents. The idea is to keep people in their own communities, rather than foist the problem on some other part of the county, or on another county.

wolf · 08-02-2006, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by rkzenrage

At what point do the "authorities" decide to "ask" those receiving the food if they are homeless?

Soup kitchens and food cupboards are not the exclusive province of the homeless. Many folks with limited incomes or resources make use of these programs. The homeless are the ones that you think of first, however.

08-02-2006, 02:33 AM

So, if they are just scruffy looking apartment dwellers that is perfectly legal and no officer of the law would raise a ruckus I take it, since no arm-band, chip-implant or tattoo would be present, right?

wolf · 08-02-2006, 02:45 AM

Soup kitchens and food cupboards are charitable organizations that operate from a fixed location that is either owned or leased by the organization. It is not a couple of tables (or even a stack of boxes) in a public park where the homeless loiter.

08-02-2006, 03:03 AM

If someone makes a van or bus into one and that is what it is to them, then it is one. Who made you the authority on soup kitchens?

Kitsune · 08-02-2006, 08:01 AM

All this talk of soup is making me hungry.

MaggieL · 08-02-2006, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Kitsune

All this talk of soup is making me hungry.

At 8:01am, soup is only part of this compelete breakfast...

Kitsune · 08-02-2006, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by MaggieL

At 8:01am, soup is only part of this compelete breakfast...

If I can have breakfast all day at IHOP, I should be able to find soup at 8am. Anything from lobster bisque to Chunky Sirloin Burger will do nicely.

Say, what kind of soup do the homeless get at kitchens, anyways?

Ibby · 08-02-2006, 09:37 AM

YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF SOUP?!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Shawnee123 · 08-02-2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF SOUP?!

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

:p

As to what kind of soup? What goes in "gruel?"

capnhowdy · 08-02-2006, 06:41 PM

mmmmmmm..... Homeless people soup....yummy!

Spexxvet · 08-02-2006, 07:25 PM

Be careful of the bones.

08-02-2006, 02:09 AM	#184
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	I had an opportunity tonight to talk to the Director of the local homeless shelter. I asked her about her successes, since, as it has been pointed out, I don't ever see people who do well. She said that they do indeed have them ... this week alone she has placed six people in apartments. This is an unusually high number. She didn't say what was more typical. She was quite excited, since hers is a relatively new program, and they've been needing the boost. They usually have 60-70 people staying at their casual shelter (folks are taken by vans to different places in the county each night, usually churches or community centers. They will be opening a 50-bed permanent shelter in the near future, apparently once some life-safety code stuff gets taken care of in their building. She is hoping that similar programs get started in the Western and Eastern parts of the county, but it is not an easy task, given the NIMBY aspects of homeless programs of any kind. The benefits of opening other shelters is that it would allow each section of the county to focus on service provision for their own homeless residents. The idea is to keep people in their own communities, rather than foist the problem on some other part of the county, or on another county. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-02-2006, 02:45 AM	#187
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	Soup kitchens and food cupboards are charitable organizations that operate from a fixed location that is either owned or leased by the organization. It is not a couple of tables (or even a stack of boxes) in a public park where the homeless loiter. __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

08-02-2006, 08:01 AM	#189
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	All this talk of soup is making me hungry. Attached Images

08-02-2006, 09:37 AM	#192
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	YOU ASK WHAT KIND OF SOUP?! NO SOUP FOR YOU! __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-02-2006, 06:41 PM	#194
capnhowdy Blatantly Homosapien Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 6,200	mmmmmmm..... Homeless people soup....yummy! __________________ Please type slowly. I can't read very fast............... and no holy water, please.

08-02-2006, 12:52 AM	#183
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	At what point do the "authorities" decide to "ask" those receiving the food if they are homeless? Is the next step a law that all within the Vegas city limits without a permanent address in Nevada wear an arm-band? A tattoo perhaps? How is this to be done?

08-02-2006, 02:33 AM	#186
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	So, if they are just scruffy looking apartment dwellers that is perfectly legal and no officer of the law would raise a ruckus I take it, since no arm-band, chip-implant or tattoo would be present, right?

08-02-2006, 03:03 AM	#188
rkzenrage Guest Posts: n/a	If someone makes a van or bus into one and that is what it is to them, then it is one. Who made you the authority on soup kitchens?

08-02-2006, 07:25 PM	#195
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Be careful of the bones. __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

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