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[lumberjim]

If they don't want to go they can quit. what's the problem?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

If they don't want to go they can quit. what's the problem?

Pretty much. The risk being it would be a career ender. And the government is very good at making those lists consist of people who would rather go than give up the potential retirement, as well as including those they want to get rid of because they know they will quit rather than go.

[richlevy]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Pretty much. The risk being it would be a career ender. And the government is very good at making those lists consist of people who would rather go than give up the potential retirement, as well as including those they want to get rid of because they know they will quit rather than go.

It would be a lot more effective if they could make up the lists to include people based on how good they are.

Since almost everyone agrees that the solution to Iraq will be political, it would be comforting to know the embassy is not being used as a dumping ground for the dregs of the diplomatic corps.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

It would be a lot more effective if they could make up the lists to include people based on how good they are.

Since almost everyone agrees that the solution to Iraq will be political, it would be comforting to know the embassy is not being used as a dumping ground for the dregs of the diplomatic corps.

The way society treats anyone who trys to do good in Iraq it is no surprise to me that people aren't jumping on the plane to go help out what is otherwise a losing cause in the eyes of most Americans.

[xoxoxoBruce]

You mean they don't want to be labeled Big Dics?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

You mean they don't want to be labeled Big Dics?

Much larger than that. IMHO anyone who supports a positive outcome in Iraq is a warmonger or "Bushie" supporter or a Neocon. And that my friend would be bull shit. I know plenty of very good people who are none of those things, all trying hard to do good work over there. The American public has basically abandoned them in the name of partisan politics.

[xoxoxoBruce]

Excellent point. Speaking for myself, I thought this was was a mistake, it was also executed in a moronic manner.... and Bush is an idiot.

But that said, we broke it, and we have an obligation to find the best outcome we can.

I'm heartened by what tw calls "feel good stories", coming from independent (Mike Yon & friends) sources. Stories that show some understanding of the situation and efforts by our on-the-ground leadership, to do the best they can toward that end.

Of course a storybook ending, where Iraq lives happily ever after, doesn't let Bush off the hook for creating this fiasco.

[lumberjim]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

If they don't want to go they can quit. what's the problem?

sorry....forgot my sarcasm flags.

i think it's bullshit. forced relocation is onething, forced expatriotizationismski is a whole nother kettle of fish.

[ZenGum]

Originally Posted by lumberjim

sorry....forgot my sarcasm flags.

i think it's bullshit. forced relocation is onething, forced expatriotizationismski is a whole nother kettle of fish.

I don't really agree. If someone joins the diplomatic corps they have to expect to be expatriated. And it isn't all going to be Paris and Vienna; if you don't want to be (occasionally) sent to overseas dumps, you shouldn't join the D.C.
If they don't like it, they have the freedom to quit, which I believe is more than Military people have. Sure, quitting for such a reason may ruin your career in the public service and make it harder to get a good job in the private sector (C'mon, it shows you have judgement)... but I don't think it will "end" your career completely. Not as much as a well-placed IED or mortar round would, anyway.