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Old 03-11-2009, 08:00 AM   #1
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Im not SD, but I can elaborate. Essentially, the problem is there is a significant population in Ulster who are still pro-British and pro-Union. These are the Loyalist factions you often hear about. For that reason, it would be difficult to just "give" northern Ireland away. Quite frankly, the Republic of Ireland isn't that interested in having to take on that region of the country either, given the history of violence and economic issues it suffers. Equally, on the other side, you have the republicans, such as the IRA, who want the British out.

At the moment, The Republic of Ireland is free and independent country and has been for nearly a century. Northern Ireland is still under British rule, but there is the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont, where much power has been devolved to.

Because the IRA negotiated with the UK, hardline Republicans consider them traitors to the cause, and are looking to reignite the Troubles. So far, the British establishment isn't biting, however.
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Old 03-11-2009, 08:54 AM   #2
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Im not SD, but I can elaborate. Essentially, the problem is there is a significant population in Ulster who are still pro-British and pro-Union. These are the Loyalist factions you often hear about. For that reason, it would be difficult to just "give" northern Ireland away. Quite frankly, the Republic of Ireland isn't that interested in having to take on that region of the country either, given the history of violence and economic issues it suffers. Equally, on the other side, you have the republicans, such as the IRA, who want the British out.

At the moment, The Republic of Ireland is free and independent country and has been for nearly a century. Northern Ireland is still under British rule, but there is the Northern Ireland Assembly at Stormont, where much power has been devolved to.

Because the IRA negotiated with the UK, hardline Republicans consider them traitors to the cause, and are looking to reignite the Troubles. So far, the British establishment isn't biting, however.
Thanks Zhuge Liang. I appreciate your response.

Perhaps the Brits and the Republic of Ireland should just allow Northern Ireland to be independent then and let them form their own country and government. I mean, if that's where all the trouble is coming from, and if a majority of the people want independence, just give it to them. Let them see if they can make can make it on their own.
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:10 AM   #3
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Perhaps the Brits and the Republic of Ireland should just allow Northern Ireland to be independent then and let them form their own country and government. I mean, if that's where all the trouble is coming from, and if a majority of the people want independence, just give it to them. Let them see if they can make can make it on their own.
Yup thats a great plan lets just give all the terrorists whatever they want? Are you serious?
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Old 03-11-2009, 09:24 AM   #4
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All I have to say is let's look at the name: Northern Ireland.
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Old 03-11-2009, 02:24 PM   #5
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Yup thats a great plan lets just give all the terrorists whatever they want? Are you serious?
This is just a question? Doesn't imply your position at all? Are you serious?
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:20 PM   #6
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OOps, was editing while you were posting.

Maybe you should tell us what your did mean by this then before I go any further.

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Yup thats a great plan lets just give all the terrorists whatever they want? Are you serious?
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:38 PM   #7
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Maybe you should tell us what your did mean by this then before I go any further.
Nope - wanna try again? Or are you willing to admit that I never posted my opinion, you made an assumption of it and it was your view of me that was narrow?
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Old 03-11-2009, 03:52 PM   #8
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Nope - wanna try again? Or are you willing to admit that I never posted my opinion, you made an assumption of it and it was your view of me that was narrow?

????

But you just did...
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Old 03-11-2009, 06:34 PM   #9
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That was my response to sugarpops post of, paraphrasing here, "why don't we just give them what the want?"

What I read was akin to saying, if a terrorist group is violent enough and attack, maim and kill enough innocent civilians through terrorist activities we should meet the terrorists demands so they'll stop.

Again, that was an ASSUMPTION of what I thought she meant by her post and I was shocked by that so I posted incredulously my question.

Again - it was not a statement of my opinion at all - It was a question asking her if that is what she meant. Got it now?
And I am still awaiting HER response.
All this fuss over little ole me. gee whizz!

I hope I have explained my position sufficiently in the posts following your remark. I didn't answer you directly because the question really seemed rhetorical to me.
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