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Old 03-20-2009, 07:24 AM   #1
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No, those are images others put on us

um... No.


You created this situation, you're all immigrants yourselves. It's like when people stop smoking they turn into nicotine nazis.

OK, Godwin's law invoked, thread dies
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Old 03-20-2009, 10:16 AM   #2
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um... No.


You created this situation, you're all immigrants yourselves. It's like when people stop smoking they turn into nicotine nazis.

OK, Godwin's law invoked, thread dies
It cannot die! We cannot let it be so!

We are all immigrants like everybody is an immigrant.

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Old 03-20-2009, 11:10 AM   #3
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You created this situation, you're all immigrants yourselves.
It's not about immigrants, it's about criminals.
A republic is based on the rule of law. Enforce it or change it, ignoring it debases the very fabric of our country.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:38 AM   #4
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It's not about immigrants, it's about criminals.
A republic is based on the rule of law. Enforce it or change it, ignoring it debases the very fabric of our country.
Illegal immigration is not a criminal act....it is a civil violation.

Treating persons who commit a civil violation as criminals yet denying them the rights given to criminals -the right to counsel, the right to a speedy hearing or trial, the right to post bond or a bond hearing, etc. - debases the rule of law which is the very fabric of our country.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:58 AM   #5
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Illegal immigration is not a criminal act....it is a civil violation.

Treating persons who commit a civil violation as criminals yet denying them the rights given to criminals -the right to counsel, the right to a speedy hearing or trial, the right to post bond or a bond hearing, etc. - debases the rule of law which is the very fabric of our country.
They are criminals.
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Old 03-20-2009, 11:59 AM   #6
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They are criminals.
Only if you consider speeders, jaywalkers and trespassers as criminals.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:00 PM   #7
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Only if you consider speeders, jaywalkers and trespassers as criminals.
Those are not federal crimes.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:09 PM   #8
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Those are not federal crimes.
Neither is illegal immigration...it is a civil NOT criminal violation of federal law.

Ignorance of the difference between civil and criminal violations is no excuse.
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Old 03-22-2009, 07:23 PM   #9
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They are criminals.
Then they should get due process.

Or is that only for white people?
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:00 PM   #10
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is that only for white people?
Trot that racist bullshit elsewhere - get back to getting the damn concrete.

Oh, and did you get the memo? We need to double the order - Apparently this thing has to go 10' underground as well. It seems we have a little issue with tunnels. BrianR will get the schematics over to you this week.
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Old 03-22-2009, 08:13 PM   #11
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Trot that racist bullshit elsewhere - get back to getting the damn concrete.

Oh, and did you get the memo? We need to double the order - Apparently this thing has to go 10' underground as well. It seems we have a little issue with tunnels. BrianR will get the schematics over to you this week.
Let me get this straight...if you point out blatant racism, you're a racist?

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Old 03-20-2009, 12:28 PM   #12
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Treating persons who commit a civil violation as criminals yet denying them the rights given to criminals -the right to counsel, the right to a speedy hearing or trial, the right to post bond or a bond hearing, etc. - debases the rule of law which is the very fabric of our country.
Trial? Counsel? WTF?

LE: Do you have proper legal authorization to be in the US?

Illegal: Nope.

LE: Get the fuck out. Here's a one way ticket to Siberia.

What can counsel do here? It's not like even the smoothest lawyer can convince a judge the illegal in custody wasn't in the US... which happens to be the violation in question.

What trial is necessary? Get the fuck out.

Keep in mind I fully support opening the borders to anyone who can pass an appropriate background check and follows a much improved and streamlined process for gaining legal access. I also fully support crushing into dust anyone who circumvents that system. I also fully support revoking the business license of any company found to knowingly employ illegals.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:38 PM   #13
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Trial? Counsel? WTF?

LE: Do you have proper legal authorization to be in the US?

Illegal: Nope.

LE: Get the fuck out. Here's a one way ticket to Siberia.

What can counsel do here? It's not like even the smoothest lawyer can convince a judge the illegal in custody wasn't in the US... which happens to be the violation in question.

What trial is necessary? Get the fuck out.

Keep in mind I fully support opening the borders to anyone who can pass an appropriate background check and follows a much improved and streamlined process for gaining legal access. I also fully support crushing into dust anyone who circumvents that system. I also fully support revoking the business license of any company found to knowingly employ illegals.
Immigrants who are held under a civil violation of illegal entry have a right to a "speedy" deportation hearing and a right to legal counsel. That is the law.

Immigrants who commit a criminal act while here illegally may lose such rights to a deportation hearing.
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:49 PM   #14
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Illegal immigration is not a criminal act....it is a civil violation.
It's the other crimes they commit after they enter illegally that really pisses people off. Why should citizens bother with getting drivers licenses and car insurance when illegals don't have to? Why should we pay our health insurance premiums? Why should we have to get SS#s and pay income tax?

What about the gang violence? What about the full prisons and broke hospitals? It goes a little further than the first civil violation or most people wouldn't even notice...
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Old 03-20-2009, 12:58 PM   #15
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It's the other crimes they commit after they enter illegally that really pisses people off.....
Current immigration law addresses that.

Illegal immigrants who commit a criminal act after then enter illegally are subject to immediate deportation. ..but they are the minority.
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