Obama Ain't Gonna Like This

UG....I dont argue for tyranny to persist. I support indigenous democratic movements over invasion and occupation, particularly when you dont consider the unintended consequences as I noted.

I'm curious, what is your criteria for forging democracy by force of invasion and occupation?

Why Iraq over North Korea. Kim was and North Korea still is a greater threat?

Or why is creating a potential Iran/Iraqi alliance resulting from replacing a dictator with Shia extremist parties in leadership positions in Iraqi in Israel's best interest as opposed to Iran/Iraq as buffers against each other?

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

I make you very uncomfortable, more than you will ever admit publicly -- otherwise you wouldn't fight me so hard and so desperately so much of the time.

This is not about me as much as you might like it to be....believe me, you dont intimidate me.

It is about defending your own position.

Ahhh..you left again.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Redux

UG....I dont argue for tyranny to persist. I support indigenous democratic movements over invasion and occupation, particularly when you dont consider the unintended consequences as I noted. . . Ahhh..you left again.

Have I? Soooo sorry to disappoint.

Unfortunately for you, you do argue for tyranny to persist, but your ideology hides that fact from you. Doesn't work so very well against me, for I am perceptive.

The "unintended consequences" are frankly nothing next to the benefices and prosperities attending on democracy, as any comparison of the democracies' economies and the undemocracies' economies can show you hard numbers for. Yet these unintended consequences are enough for you to counsel inaction. Outrageous.

Your so-called support for indigenous democratic movements is transparently a pose, and will never be anything more. It doesn't call you to any perceptible action or palpable result. It certainly did not call you into military uniform. It did call me. While I wouldn't say I was in any way distinguished in military service, I am proud of my couple of awards of the Navy Expeditionary Medal.

No, Redux, to visibly be a partisan of democracy and one who understands its goodness to humanity, you've really got to act a lot more like I do.

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

...No, Redux, to visibly be a partisan of democracy and one who understands its goodness to humanity, you've really got to act a lot more like I do.

UG...please point out to me where the framers of our democracy ever envisioned the US as the nation-builders of the world? Or where the Constitution even allows for such a role.

Our Constitution should serve as a model for self-determination in nations where the people enjoy less (or no) freedom, not as the blueprint to invade and occupy those sovereign nations that pose no direct threat to the invaders/occupiers.