Windows xp will only connect to the internet in safe mode w/ networking

[tw]

Originally Posted by BrianR

a Trojan of some note. Wiki has a good primer on it.

And so it was found by the malware software? Or what?

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Good grief.



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Christ, fuck me running.

[orthodoc]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

Christ, fuck me running.

That sounds difficult, although not impossible, considering the participants .... (not to mention painful)

And (not to be insensitive, but ...) I still want to know whether this thing attacks Macs??

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by orthodoc

That sounds difficult, although not impossible, considering the participants .... (not to mention painful)

And (not to be insensitive, but ...) I still want to know whether this thing attacks Macs??

I think it is a windows thing, macs have their own viruses.

The link to the blog links to a very good removal tool. It actually found one, tiny little shred left behind and it also fixed all the messed up registry thingies.

I still have to re-install a few programs...

[xoxoxoBruce]

This computer I got smarter, and set it up so I never log on as administrator unless I'm changing something. The rest of the time, as a peasant, it's been helpful for the PC to demand a password before it will make changes. It's saved me grief several times when things were going on in the background I wasn't aware of. Sometimes it's not good to be the king.

[tw]

Originally Posted by footfootfoot

I think it is a windows thing, macs have their own viruses.

But how did you know it existed or what it was?

[footfootfoot]

Originally Posted by tw

But how did you know it existed or what it was?

I ran a deep scan with Norton 360 when things suddenly went strange.

Norton identified the trojans, and got rid of them but it did not find some of the malicious code and registry changes that the guy's software from Bruce's link found and removed.

All is hunky dory and I am taking a cue from Bruce this time, and I am also going to install all my programs on a separate drive or partition from my OS, making future possible system re-installs simpler.

[BrianR]

Bruce gave some excellent advice. I myself do the same thing for security reasons. When I am fixing or updating things, I either use another account or switch to superuser mode. Whichever applies.

Now, if only I could get linux onto this laptop. SIGH
It is really frustrating to burn the .iso onto a CDROM and then put it into the drive and it refuses to recognise it. No data CD works, for that matter. But music and DVDs still work. So I don't get it. I'm going for a thumb drive from now on.

[glatt]

Originally Posted by BrianR

Bruce gave some excellent advice. I myself do the same thing for security reasons. When I am fixing or updating things, I either use another account or switch to superuser mode. Whichever applies.

I do this on our desktop PC. Works well so far. No problems since I started doing it like 5 years ago.

On our laptop, I don't do anything special, but I don't care about any of the contents of the laptop. If I have to erase the hard drive and start over for any reason, nothing important will be lost. It's just a web surfing machine. It's the one I use if there's a link to a suspicious site and I think there may be a virus there.

My dad just gave me a 2nd laptop that he rescued from an electronics recycling drive up at the college. It had a pretty bad virus problem, but he wiped the hard drive and cloned a drive from one of his old computers onto it and gave it to me. I'm seriously thinking about putting Ubuntu onto that laptop. He was running Ubuntu on one of his machines and I played with it a little bit over the weekend, and it seems really easy to use. That might be fun. The kids could use that one.

[Clodfobble]

Yeah, we only let the kids run in Linux. It's that, or refuse to let my stepdaughter touch the computer at all. She simply cannot stop downloading anime-themed music, wallpapers, screen savers, icons that she doesn't even know how to turn on, etc...

[mbpark]

The best defense against these types of viruses that I have found is either Linux or Windows 7. Both of them are significantly more resilient than Windows XP, which admittedly is years behind on security technologies and had to be retrofitted to fix entire classes of issues in 2004 (quite badly, I may add).

The reason I say this is because of two factors:

1. Virtualization is now free. You can run VirtualBox for free and run XP in a Virtual Machine if you need to on Win7, Win8, or Linux. You can take "snapshots" so that if a VM screws up, you can roll back to a previous version in minutes. You can run XP, DOS, and all sorts of other OSes in a VM without screwing up your primary OS.

2. DOSBOX and WINE are now at a point where they will run your legacy software that would not run on Windows better than Windows XP or 7 will. You're SOL if you have older legacy hardware that requires you to hit the PCI or ISA buses, but it's easier to load up DOSBOX or WINE to run older DOS and Windows apps. DOSBOX runs on MacOS and Windows 7 too.

I used to use Windows XP on all my machines for years. I have 5 work machines these days. The only one that now primarily runs XP is a Dell Netbook that I use just to prove our encryption software doesn't kill PC performance. I dual-boot my Ubuntu laptop with it too. Windows 7 is just that much better for what I am using it for, and it's got the benefit of 8 additional years of security research built into it.

For what it is worth, Microsoft did get it right with Windows 7 64-bit and IE 9 in terms of overall security. It came at the expense of backward compatibility with 16-bit programs and older web apps, but the addition of newer tech fixes many issues. Linux has similar technologies (and I really think Ubuntu got it right there which is why I run it). Mac OS X only caught up to Windows 7 with Mountain Lion when they implemented ASLR technologies in their OS.