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Old 10-17-2019, 09:47 PM   #31
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The Donald is channeling tw.
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:45 AM   #32
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The Don wants to invite Putin to the G-7. All others forced Russia out due to so many corrupt and despicable activities such as the invasion of Ukraine. No problem. This scumbag president even tried to sell Ukraine to the Russians. Endorses Russia providing Kim the missile technology to attack S Korean and Japanese cities. Even ordered the Ukrainian president to such up to his good friend Putin. And has made Russia the strongest power broker in the Middle East.

Turkey was once a strongest American ally. 90% of Turks had highest praise for America. George Jr massively hurt that approval. The scumbag has now ordered American troops to surrender. So Erdoğan will visit the world's leader. He will visit Putin next week. He knows who has intelligent leaders.

Why does the Don want the G-7 in his resort? Well, he promised to remove himself from all those properties if elected president. He lied (of course because that make one popular with extremists). That Trump Doral resort (typical of a Trump run corporation) is having financial problems. No problem. He will force the government to increase his business and profits. Since according to The Don (who is only loved by wacko extremist and the most corrupt), that is completely acceptable and ethical behavior (it never was - but wacko extremists now define this new America in their own image).

White House said they reviewed all resorts. Claim only Trump Doral has facilities necessary to support a G-7 meeting - which will become a G-8 so that Trump can welcome Putin to thank him for helping the mafioso boss get elected and then reelected.

Extremist are obvious in this thread They don't criticize a president who has clearly made Nixon into "not a crook".

The scumbag may try to edit this using a sharpie.
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Old 10-19-2019, 11:39 AM   #33
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Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.
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Old 10-19-2019, 02:58 PM   #34
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Sour grapes 'cause the Donald didn't put you on his list … no Trump Doral for you.
Anti-Americans discuss (make decisions from) emotions. Patriots instead learn and discuss facts (such as an enthralled an ego to backstab the Kurds). Instead we should eat cake? No grapes.

Pretty pictures drawn with Sharpies prove everything is good. And that the Kurds really were not allies.

Why would anyone go to a resort that screws contractors and loses money only to enrich The Don? Because that is what good mafioso do - to impress his best friend Putin.
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Old 10-19-2019, 03:46 PM   #35
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The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.
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Old 10-19-2019, 09:07 PM   #36
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"the Kurds really were not allies"

They weren't allies: they were dependents. We were babysittin' 'em (as we probably will again).

Really, how long have we been trainin' 'em? And what were we trainin' 'em for (if not to stand on their own)?

What's irksome: if President [insert tw's favorite] had withdrawn in exactly the same way, tw would have nuthin' but praise to offer.

Hypocrite.
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:01 PM   #37
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The Kurds felt the same way when Obama pulled us out of Iraq. They're used to it and have contingency plans for when the US picks-up and leaves.
Well that answer says nothing. And completely ignores relevant and different details in each case.

We know the Kurds were a strong American ally. Nobody - except Donald Trump brainwashed disciples - denies that. The American / Kurd alliance remained one of the strongest and most effective against Daesh.

Even Turkey provided tactical support and freedoms to Isis. That was restricted when Americans got involved using NATO alliance principles that also kept Turkey from attacking the Kurds.

But again, we have a perfect example of who is a wacko Trump supporting extremist. The scumbag Don yesterday even tweeted Kurds as never safer. Another example of why soundbytes and 140 character declarations are akin to a lie. We will see extremist here, while posting more insults, agree with that tweeted lie. After all, it must be true because he - like the scumbag president - uses insults to prove it as true.
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:14 PM   #38
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"We know the Kurds were a strong American ally."

If they're so strong: what did they/do they bring to the table (aside from warm bodies)?

We train them (forever), arm them, direct them, take care of them.

Again: they were our charges (and, no doubt, they will be again).
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Old 10-20-2019, 12:46 PM   #39
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The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time. We do the same. We've repeatedly dumped the Kurds; but, they always come back to us when our objectives overlap. Why buy the cow (all of their agenda) when we're getting the milk (our objectives) for free. It's time to cut them loose again to see if what they do is worthy of any future alliance. If they haven't learned how to police their own without us, we should be looking for new partners rather than pouring our resources into that bottomless pit.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:20 AM   #40
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The Kurds ally themselves with whomever best suits their agenda at the time.
All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.

When Abe complained about N Korea's unrestricted missile tests that the US all but approved, Trump basically replied the protection of Japanese cities is no longer our concern. Another example of backstabbing an ally.

A major source of American power was once the so many countries that supported and helped America because America was once a trusted ally. No longer in part because so many people even here have contempt for our allies - and what once made America great. A Don will backstab anyone who does not enchant his ego.
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Old 10-21-2019, 09:50 AM   #41
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
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Old 10-21-2019, 10:58 AM   #42
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
As I say: if his favorite were doin' the exact same thing, the exact same way, he'd be heapin' praise.

But it's The Don, so it's wrong, it's bad, its crazy, it's dumb.

Also: note how 'moderate' has morphed into 'patriot' and 'extremist' is begining to morph into 'anti-american'. A memo musta been issued by Central Planning advisin' dupes and agents of a marketin' change.
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Old 10-21-2019, 06:27 PM   #43
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Put the entire world on notice that we will not be policing it any longer. Costs too much.

I honestly thought that was what you wanted?
Then you did not comprehend every paragraph. Just as you failed to grasp what are now well proven history (supported by many facts and numbers) before the Mission Accomplished war. I never post like a liar - ie post soundbytes justified by cheapshots. Read everything posted.

We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind. So that the local allies will avert problems long before things get worse. And then we only get involved in rare situations when things go wrong.

Iraq went terribly wrong so many times because George Jf was even teaching politics to its president - the man he approved of even after his advisers said otherwise. He spendtwo hours everyday by satellite. So a 500 man Isis attack routed three Iraqi divisions - maybe 15,000 men. They even abandoned their weapons and ran. An example of why America is still spending massively in a war that already cost well over $3 trillion.

What is the dic licking president doing? He backstabs allies. He praises the enemies of democracy, free speech, honest electronics, world wide declarations, and free trade. He destroys treaties that would advance mankind - ie TPP. He even lies about bringing troops back from Syria. He only makes things worse, He does not even know why a G-7 in Trump's Doral resort is classic corruption. He even lied about divesting himself of those business that are clearly conflicts of interest. (See how he has ordered Millitary transport crews to use his resort in Scotland.)

Do you actually endorse the driving of American allies into the growing sphere of China and Russia. Apparently so. Because you only extracted soundbytes from those previous post. And may not even gasp every necessary paragraph here.

Even Nixon was not that corrupt.

Go back and read those points. Why did the scumbag try to Pearl Harbor Iran? Even George Jr gave reasons why (albeit lies) to justify the Pearl Harboring of Iraq. And yes, we did Pearl Harbor Iraq. We all now know how much of a lie that was. Even Shock and Awe accomplished nothing - was a lie.

Question unasnswered is who was patriotic American enough to avert the Pearl Harboring of Iran only ten minutes before the attack? That disaster was not averted for hours or days? Why then does this big dic leader have a finger on the button? Oh. His best friends are Russia and China. He would rather attack France, South Korea, Turkey, or Japan - nations that accurately criticize him.

We need allies. What ally has the Don not yet disparaged or backstabbed? That list has become quite small.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:02 PM   #44
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All allies do that. So America's best allies (ie Japan, Britain, Jordan, Australia, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel) have started looking elsewhere. With The Don cozying up to Putin, Xi, and Kim; with America backstabbing the Kurds in less than 24 hours, then all those nations and others must reconsider safer options.
That's the conventional wisdom; however, it doesn't jibe with The Donald's esoteric eccentricity. Trump has a business model that he uses as a template for the world and his business, the USA.

Countries that expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as employees (like commercial businesses provide employees with financial security). A business CEO can have expectations of employees. There may be rifts. Unions may even organize. If the competition gets stiff; however, they'll all pull together again so the business can survive. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Countries that don't expect the USA to provide security for them are viewed as other businesses (like commercial businesses are financially independent). A business CEO has no expectations of other businesses and has to do what it takes to attract them. There may be contracts. There may be cooperatives. If the business doesn't do what it takes to remain attractive to other businesses; however, they can be pushed apart again. Everyone knows what's at stake.

Groups of people who aren't countries are viewed as temps (like temporary workers from a commercial staffing agency). A business CEO has very limited expectations of temps. There may be pay; but, no benefits. There may be a job; but, no career. When the CEO no longer wants temps, the business simply goes on without them the very next day. Everyone knows they had no stake in each other.

Allied countries, non-allied countries, and groups of people that don't comprise countries (e.g. Kurds) are experiencing Trump's mystery diplomacy. Trump's methodologies are unconventional; so, those going with the conventional wisdom are going to be jumping to the wrong conclusions. It's to be expected from those who don't have related insights.
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Old 10-21-2019, 08:10 PM   #45
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"We have allies so that all will work to advance mankind"

Nope. We ally (with comparative equals) to advance mutual national agendas.

The Kurds are warm bodies, charges, proxies, toooools!. They never have been, and they never will be, allies.

If we, some day, get 'round to what they want, well, that's nice, but it ain't a neccessity

[timesaving, anticipated, tw response]: "extremist, emotion, The Don, dic sucker, anti-american, patriot, etcétera"

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