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Flint · 05-04-2009, 03:03 PM

...and this lamp, and this paddle game...AND THAT'S ALL I NEED.

henry quirk · 05-04-2009, 03:05 PM

glatt:

i wonder how you'd reconcile holding the bulk of the power (and the probably draconian measures you'd have to implement to do such a thing) with society being peaceful and prosperous

seems to me: utopia (and it is a kind of utopia you propose, yes?) is unachievable, mostly because there's always gonna be one who says 'no' to the cage no matter how comfortable it might be

and: it seems that's what your society might be...a large, comfortable, cage...it almost follows it would have to be...to hold the power: you'd have to suppress dissent of any kind (except for the carefully cultivated kind)...your fingers would have to be in multiple pies to ensure you remain the man

and for the bulk of folks in your society: this might suit them fine...but all it takes is one to dissent violently and cleverly, and the house of cards collapses

most certainly: someone would come along and try to take you out...some would attempt this because they want your power...a small (perhaps as small as one) number would attempt to take you out simply because -- again -- a gilded cage is still a cage

if you would, glatt, think on how your society might be structured so you retain full power while the citizenry simultaneously 'have a good time, get along, and are prosperous'

in part: i think your solutions will have roots in how you came to power in the first place (whatever scenario you envision)

i'm curious how you (or someone like you) might make it all work...

lookout123 · 05-04-2009, 03:06 PM

The thermos was a good choice.

glatt · 05-04-2009, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by henry quirk

if you would, glatt, think on how your society might be structured so you retain full power while the citizenry simultaneously 'have a good time, get along, and are prosperous'

Really. Never mind. I don't want any part of it. As dictator, to ensure my own safety and power, I'd have to kill my political opposition. Even my family. Look at the royal family in Nepal. You can't trust anyone when you are at the top. And I certainly don't want the work of creating a government if I don't get the power.

TheMercenary · 05-04-2009, 05:57 PM

A dictatorship with me in charge. Many would be fucked.

regular.joe · 05-04-2009, 06:08 PM

Henry Quirk, do you presume to teach us here?

classicman · 05-04-2009, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

A dictatorship with me in charge. Many would be fucked.

In your dreams...

Aliantha · 05-04-2009, 09:27 PM

We had a thread about this topic ages ago and in fact quite a number of us joined a forum where you actually do create your own government and shape it to however you like.

It didn't really seem to have reasonable outcomes, and I can't remember the name of the website, but I'm sure someone here could, if they could be bothered and wanted to have the discussion again.

ZenGum · 05-04-2009, 10:06 PM

So, the game is, ask a really hard question, complain about not getting serious answers, then when someone does offer something thoughtful, pick it to pieces.

Meh.

classicman · 05-04-2009, 10:22 PM

If he didn't use the word "I" so much I would have thought he was a tw sockpuppet.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-05-2009, 12:41 AM

I'd model it after England we me as king. Rich with no responsibility, woo hoo.

Apollo · 05-05-2009, 02:23 AM

Hey now, the queen has tons of responsibilities.
It's called rule of law bitchz.

05-05-2009, 04:06 AM

I would build a government of the people, by the people, and for the people in which only I would hold the legal status of person (therefore the conundrum).

The Teapot · 05-05-2009, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoBoxes

I would build a government of the people, by the people, and for the people in which only I would hold the legal status of person (therefore the conundrum).

Are you by any chance chinese?

05-06-2009, 08:50 PM

No, I'm chitownese (i.e. originally from Chi-Town ... a native Chicagoan).

05-04-2009, 03:03 PM	#16
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	...and this lamp, and this paddle game...AND THAT'S ALL I NEED. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

05-04-2009, 03:05 PM	#17
henry quirk maskless: yesterday, today, tomorrow Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,162	glatt: i wonder how you'd reconcile holding the bulk of the power (and the probably draconian measures you'd have to implement to do such a thing) with society being peaceful and prosperous seems to me: utopia (and it is a kind of utopia you propose, yes?) is unachievable, mostly because there's always gonna be one who says 'no' to the cage no matter how comfortable it might be and: it seems that's what your society might be...a large, comfortable, cage...it almost follows it would have to be...to hold the power: you'd have to suppress dissent of any kind (except for the carefully cultivated kind)...your fingers would have to be in multiple pies to ensure you remain the man and for the bulk of folks in your society: this might suit them fine...but all it takes is one to dissent violently and cleverly, and the house of cards collapses most certainly: someone would come along and try to take you out...some would attempt this because they want your power...a small (perhaps as small as one) number would attempt to take you out simply because -- again -- a gilded cage is still a cage if you would, glatt, think on how your society might be structured so you retain full power while the citizenry simultaneously 'have a good time, get along, and are prosperous' in part: i think your solutions will have roots in how you came to power in the first place (whatever scenario you envision) i'm curious how you (or someone like you) might make it all work... __________________ like the other guy sez: 'not really back, blah-blah-blah...'

05-04-2009, 03:06 PM	#18
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	The thermos was a good choice. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

05-04-2009, 05:57 PM	#20
TheMercenary “Hypocrisy: prejudice with a halo” Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Savannah, Georgia Posts: 21,393	A dictatorship with me in charge. Many would be fucked. __________________ Anyone but the this most fuked up President in History in 2012!

05-04-2009, 06:08 PM	#21
regular.joe Старый сержант Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: NC, dreaming of large Russian women. Posts: 1,464	Henry Quirk, do you presume to teach us here? __________________ Birth, wealth, and position are valueless during wartime. Man is only judged by his character --Soldier's Testament. Death, like birth, is a secret of Nature. - Marcus Aurelius.

05-04-2009, 09:27 PM	#23
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	We had a thread about this topic ages ago and in fact quite a number of us joined a forum where you actually do create your own government and shape it to however you like. It didn't really seem to have reasonable outcomes, and I can't remember the name of the website, but I'm sure someone here could, if they could be bothered and wanted to have the discussion again. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

05-04-2009, 10:06 PM	#24
ZenGum Doctor Wtf Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Badelaide, Baustralia Posts: 12,861	So, the game is, ask a really hard question, complain about not getting serious answers, then when someone does offer something thoughtful, pick it to pieces. Meh. __________________ Shut up and hug. MoreThanPretty, Nov 5, 2008. Just because I'm nominally polite, does not make me a pussy. Sundae Girl.

05-04-2009, 10:22 PM	#25
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	If he didn't use the word "I" so much I would have thought he was a tw sockpuppet. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

05-05-2009, 12:41 AM	#26
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	I'd model it after England we me as king. Rich with no responsibility, woo hoo. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

05-05-2009, 02:23 AM	#27
Apollo i need friends Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Transplanted from PDX to Wilmington, DE Posts: 65	Hey now, the queen has tons of responsibilities. It's called rule of law bitchz. __________________ Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.

05-05-2009, 04:06 AM	#28
NoBoxes Guest Posts: n/a	I would build a government of the people, by the people, and for the people in which only I would hold the legal status of person (therefore the conundrum).

05-06-2009, 08:50 PM	#30
NoBoxes Guest Posts: n/a	No, I'm chitownese (i.e. originally from Chi-Town ... a native Chicagoan).

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