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Old 06-10-2017, 10:44 AM   #1
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Megan Phelps-Roper explains it

https://www.ted.com/talks/megan_phel..._left#t-155791
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:09 AM   #2
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Do they really need explaining?
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:13 AM   #3
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Thanks Undertoad for the link to that video.

Let me ask you, what specific conflicts come to mind when you listen to her talk? Is something on your mind besides WBC?
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:17 AM   #4
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Right now we have what may be an unfit President, we can't talk about it though cuz it turns into mocking people instead of appreciating the pain folks were feeling when they voted.
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:29 AM   #5
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Hey Griff.

I promise I won't mock.

Pain is hard to ignore, pain is a powerful motivator. I can definitely see how it could have affected people when they voted. What kind of pain were you feeling then?
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:42 AM   #6
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I didn't vote for him, but in the general election Trump was the one who mirrored the anger of the, no longer, working people. The DNC chose not to engage with them. It is easier to create blame than solutions but the Democrats didn't even try.

Fast forward to now it is easy to mock Trump voters as going against their self-interest but for them to shake off their faith in him there needs to be another path that isn't the same slow death they were experiencing.
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Old 06-10-2017, 11:50 AM   #7
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Don't mock them, mock him. Keep his ineptitude in the forefront and let his supporters judge for themselves.
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Old 06-10-2017, 01:03 PM   #8
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^That one tickles my funny bone.^

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I didn't vote for him, but in the general election Trump was the one who mirrored the anger of the, no longer, working people. The DNC chose not to engage with them. It is easier to create blame than solutions but the Democrats didn't even try.

Fast forward to now it is easy to mock Trump voters as going against their self-interest but for them to shake off their faith in him there needs to be another path that isn't the same slow death they were experiencing.
Griff, his eyes open. I've been voting for over two score now and I've previously always voted Democrat. I'm not a Democrat. I'm Independent and that's just the way it worked out based on my assessment of whose election would be best for the country.

Sociologists have written about cultural differences in time perspective. Americans generally think in terms of every four years, from one presidential election to another; whereas, older cultures think in terms of generations. I've been exposed to that way of thinking. I no longer limit my selection to who's going to be easiest to live with in the short term.

The Democrats not only began taking the short term thinking of most Americans for granted, they've come to see those votes as an entitlement. It was time to lock their heels. My only faith in Trump was that he could shake up the status quo bad enough to remind the body politic of its long term obligations. One step back to enable multiple steps forward down the line. Our system of checks and balances in combination with four year terms limits the downside.

Now we wait to see which will be the most improved, Democrats or GOP. If neither does in the next four years ... third party. There's a method to the madness that put an over the top Trump on top. Whether or not anyone agrees with it is moot until the next election, impeachment notwithstanding.
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Old 06-10-2017, 01:11 PM   #9
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That sign is outstanding.
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Old 06-11-2017, 09:51 AM   #10
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^That one tickles my funny bone.^


Griff, his eyes open. I've been voting for over two score now and I've previously always voted Democrat. I'm not a Democrat. I'm Independent and that's just the way it worked out based on my assessment of whose election would be best for the country.

Sociologists have written about cultural differences in time perspective. Americans generally think in terms of every four years, from one presidential election to another; whereas, older cultures think in terms of generations. I've been exposed to that way of thinking. I no longer limit my selection to who's going to be easiest to live with in the short term.

The Democrats not only began taking the short term thinking of most Americans for granted, they've come to see those votes as an entitlement. It was time to lock their heels. My only faith in Trump was that he could shake up the status quo bad enough to remind the body politic of its long term obligations. One step back to enable multiple steps forward down the line. Our system of checks and balances in combination with four year terms limits the downside.

Now we wait to see which will be the most improved, Democrats or GOP. If neither does in the next four years ... third party. There's a method to the madness that put an over the top Trump on top. Whether or not anyone agrees with it is moot until the next election, impeachment notwithstanding.
I think you've done a good job of expressing my feeling toward the Trump campaign & subsequent election. The chaos was the important part. Even if he hadn't won, the shit show he put on did enough damage to the foundations of the 2 party system, that future elections will be more American.
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Old 06-11-2017, 12:00 PM   #11
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Why would it? I hear Dwayne Johnson is going to be running for president. If I am going to be butt fucked I would just as well have Dwayne do it. He is much better looking than Trump.
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Old 06-11-2017, 05:18 PM   #12
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Old 06-12-2017, 02:58 PM   #13
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Why would it? I hear Dwayne Johnson is going to be running for president. If I am going to be butt fucked I would just as well have Dwayne do it. He is much better looking than Trump.
Probably better hung, too.

I'd take Trump. I don't even wanna know he's back there.
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