09-27-2010, 10:13 AM | #691 |
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Yes, a step toward controlling would be great, until prevention is possible.
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There is a blood test available. Until the doctors finish getting their shit together, a parent could easily have their newborn/toddler tested, or a pregnant mother could test herself, to help them make their own decision whether to delay vaccinations.
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This one is pretty interesting and could be part of the answer.
Here's the best-written skepticism on it from a WSJ Health blog: basically the CDC lab was unable to find *any* of this virus. But that seems more likely to be a mistake, as the labs that did find it ruled out lab contamination. This bit of confusion will only force their hand to work harder on it. |
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The case against the Wakefield in more detail:
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyl...pStories_ssi_5 Apparently it seems that it was way worse than just massaging the figures and not being thorough enough. This was outright and clear fraud. Quote:
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Yikes!
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The BMJ article they reference:
http://www.bmj.com/content/342/bmj.c5347.full The curious case of child 11 and his father Mr. 11, an engineer, and what happened when journalist Brian Deer asked Mr. 11 to review the data Wakefield had used for his son... Quote:
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I personally consider him to be a very credible source on the timing of his son's symptoms, but no, as a source for information regarding the problem of vaccines and autism, his reliability would depend on his qualifications. His qualifications as a parent may be top notch, but that doesn't mean he can be viewed as a qualified immunologist, paediatrician, or even doctor.
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I find it interesting that the salient point you have taken from the study, is that the unqualified parent in question believes vaccines may be a factor.
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I carefully excerpted the article to keep that bit in. I thought it was interesting, and full disclosure. Dana said it better'n I could. The gent in question is an engineer so he is familiar with how to manage data and find anomalies. Going over the rest of the studies is not his job and we don't know whether he has.
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"Autism research monies" have overwhelmingly been funneled into the arena of behavioral therapies, by a vast margin. And of the money that was allotted to vaccine studies, the majority of it was provided by the manufacturers of the vaccines themselves. The points I have taken from the study--which I have read in detail, many times, including the facts of these new allegations, which are not in fact new at all, they are just being dredged up again because Brian Deer hasn't had an article published in awhile--have very little to do anymore with my beliefs on the subject from a medical standpoint. This was one study done 13 years ago, with questionable methods. The study, and the doctor himself, have been discredited time and again. I don't know anyone who cites this study as a basis for their beliefs anymore. Yet it continues to be vilified because the studies that have come after it are 1.) more scientifically sound, and 2.) more discreet. The salient point that I am taking from the recent articles (as opposed to the old study itself) is that there are many people out there who are basing their beliefs on the antithesis of one bad study, rather than simply chucking the one bad study and looking at everything that has come since. I'm pointing out that even the father who angrily calls Wakefield a fraud and hopes for the revocation of his medical license (which already happened, almost a year ago) still fundamentally believes in a more up-to-date version of Wakefield's hypothesis, presumably because he has kept up with more recent research. Quote:
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