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Big Sarge · 07-27-2016, 02:13 PM

Freddie Gray case: Charges dropped against remaining officers

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/us/fre...ers/index.html

Spexxvet · 07-28-2016, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Freddie Gray case: Charges dropped against remaining officers

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/us/fre...ers/index.html

Amazing, the results you get when you investigate yourself.

Maryland prosecutor blasts police ’reluctance and obvious bias’ that hindered Freddie Gray investigation

I hope there's a federal case

glatt · 07-28-2016, 09:08 AM

I'm not surprised.

I doubt they meant to kill him. Just teach him a lesson. Rough him up a little. His death was accidental. They were responsible for his welfare, and they wound up killing him. Since it was a group, each individual can say "not my fault" and there isn't enough evidence to convict any one of them individually.

Big Sarge · 07-28-2016, 09:23 AM

So many on here are quick to judge based upon what they "think" happened. So many of the social justice warriors should watch the "Ox-Bow Incident".

glatt · 07-28-2016, 10:21 AM

I often agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. The cops were either incompetent at keeping him safe, or they intended to rough him up a little to teach him a lesson. It's either malice or incompetence that caused him to die in their care.

In this case I think it's unlikely that the cops were incompetent. He was being a dick to them and they were pissed off at him. They didn't have a discussion about it or anything like that. It was just their attitude about him. "Scumbag resisted arrest, I'm gonna stomp on the gas a little as I pull away from the curb."

Clodfobble · 07-28-2016, 01:51 PM

It's very hard for most people to take being hit without being allowed to hit back. My son went through a time of physically injuring me. Even with him being a kid, my own kid, a kid I knew really honestly didn't mean me any malice... there were a few times where the self-defense instinct rose up and some lizard-brain part of me wanted to hit back.

I still didn't, obviously, but it was surprising to learn how close under the surface that instinct was. Our officers have to be trained better, and applicants have to be screened better in the first place. "It's a hard job" doesn't begin to describe it, but it's not an excuse, either.

It's like teachers: if you paid the individuals more, instead of spending more money on tools (i.e. nationwide testing as a metaphor for tanks and SWAT armor,) then talented candidates would be more willing to attempt the job.

Spexxvet · 07-29-2016, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

... His death was accidental...

The coroner ruled it a homocide

glatt · 07-29-2016, 08:41 AM

Sure, but they didn't mean to kill him. You don't think they meant to kill him, do you?

Spexxvet · 07-30-2016, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by glatt

Sure, but they didn't mean to kill him. You don't think they meant to kill him, do you?

I don't. Bu it doesn't really matter what I think, the coroner determined it to be homicide - "the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder".

sexobon · 07-30-2016, 08:12 AM

You seem to be experiencing tunnel vision when looking up definitions...

"Homicide occurs when one person causes the death of one other person. Homicides can be divided into many overlapping types, including murder, manslaughter, justifiable homicide, killing in war, euthanasia, and execution, depending on the circumstances of the death."

BIG TERM, EIGHT SYLABLES - involuntary manslaughter.

Big Sarge · 07-30-2016, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spexxvet

I don't. Bu it doesn't really matter what I think, the coroner determined it to be homicide - "the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder".

Let us not forget that suicide is also homicide. There is also the theory Freddie Gray self inflicted his injuries

DanaC · 07-30-2016, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Let us not forget that suicide is also homicide. There is also the theory Freddie Gray self inflicted his injuries

That reminds me of policing in the UK during the 70s and 80a, when the police quite seriously, and with straight faces claimed that a man in their custody died whilst falling up the stairs.

Big Sarge · 07-30-2016, 03:55 PM

So many quick to judge and say these officers are guilty. Yet, 3 have been found not guilty in a court of law and charges against the other 3 are dismissed. So many cry they must be guilty and I ask where is your proof? What evidence do you have to declare these men guilty and condemn law enforcement?

Spexxvet · 08-01-2016, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Let us not forget that suicide is also homicide. There is also the theory Freddie Gray self inflicted his injuries

Reminds me of the Firesign Theater (I think) parody of The Lone Ranger.
"he fell on his knife
six times
backwards"

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Originally Posted by Big Sarge

So many quick to judge and say these officers are guilty. Yet, 3 have been found not guilty in a court of law and charges against the other 3 are dismissed. So many cry they must be guilty and I ask where is your proof? What evidence do you have to declare these men guilty and condemn law enforcement?

And the prosecutor is crying foul, and it's difficult to convict a law enforcement agent.

Spexxvet · 08-01-2016, 11:23 AM

Sarge, did you watch "Making a Murderer"?

07-27-2016, 02:13 PM	#106
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	Freddie Gray case: Charges dropped against remaining officers http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/27/us/fre...ers/index.html __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

07-28-2016, 09:23 AM	#109
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	So many on here are quick to judge based upon what they "think" happened. So many of the social justice warriors should watch the "Ox-Bow Incident". __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

07-28-2016, 01:51 PM	#111
Clodfobble UNDER CONDITIONAL MITIGATION Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 20,012	It's very hard for most people to take being hit without being allowed to hit back. My son went through a time of physically injuring me. Even with him being a kid, my own kid, a kid I knew really honestly didn't mean me any malice... there were a few times where the self-defense instinct rose up and some lizard-brain part of me wanted to hit back. I still didn't, obviously, but it was surprising to learn how close under the surface that instinct was. Our officers have to be trained better, and applicants have to be screened better in the first place. "It's a hard job" doesn't begin to describe it, but it's not an excuse, either. It's like teachers: if you paid the individuals more, instead of spending more money on tools (i.e. nationwide testing as a metaphor for tanks and SWAT armor,) then talented candidates would be more willing to attempt the job. __________________ My book My other book My spirit animal

07-30-2016, 03:55 PM	#118
Big Sarge Werepandas - lurking in your shadows Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: In the Deep South Posts: 3,408	So many quick to judge and say these officers are guilty. Yet, 3 have been found not guilty in a court of law and charges against the other 3 are dismissed. So many cry they must be guilty and I ask where is your proof? What evidence do you have to declare these men guilty and condemn law enforcement? __________________ Give a man a match, & he'll be warm for 20 seconds. But toss that man a white phosphorus grenade and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.

08-01-2016, 11:23 AM	#120
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Sarge, did you watch "Making a Murderer"? __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

07-28-2016, 09:08 AM	#108
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I'm not surprised. I doubt they meant to kill him. Just teach him a lesson. Rough him up a little. His death was accidental. They were responsible for his welfare, and they wound up killing him. Since it was a group, each individual can say "not my fault" and there isn't enough evidence to convict any one of them individually.

07-28-2016, 10:21 AM	#110
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	I often agree with the sentiment that you shouldn't attribute to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. The cops were either incompetent at keeping him safe, or they intended to rough him up a little to teach him a lesson. It's either malice or incompetence that caused him to die in their care. In this case I think it's unlikely that the cops were incompetent. He was being a dick to them and they were pissed off at him. They didn't have a discussion about it or anything like that. It was just their attitude about him. "Scumbag resisted arrest, I'm gonna stomp on the gas a little as I pull away from the curb."

07-29-2016, 08:41 AM	#113
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Sure, but they didn't mean to kill him. You don't think they meant to kill him, do you?

07-30-2016, 08:12 AM	#115
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	You seem to be experiencing tunnel vision when looking up definitions... "Homicide occurs when one person causes the death of one other person. Homicides can be divided into many overlapping types, including murder, manslaughter, justifiable homicide, killing in war, euthanasia, and execution, depending on the circumstances of the death." BIG TERM, EIGHT SYLABLES - involuntary manslaughter.

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