Evolutionary Science-v- Creationism

[Troubleshooter]

Ok, to clarify.

I believe that the process of evolution is sufficiently proven to be an accepted theory.

I believe that there is no evidence of any sort pointing to a first cause for creation.

I believe that there is no evidence for a first cause for evolution.

I believe that creation may have occured, but as with evolution, there is no evidence for a first cause.

I know that I exist, I know that I am the *queue Architect's office scene* the result of a series of both genetic responses to environmental factors over a long time of biological evolution as well as a progressive evolution of thinking over a long period of time as well.

That is the closest thing that anyone knows.

Faith is not knowledge, it is acceptance, it does not stand up to empiricism, it cannot do so by definition.

That doesn't make it wrong either. Just unprovable.

I accept that there is the possibility that Xtians are right, but I also assert that they are no more likely to be right than any other religion as they all turn on the same axis, faith.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

The first self-reproducing organism would have made copies of itself.
Would this, in and of itself, be a correct assertion?

Yes, but the first self-reproducing organism would be long after the first self-reproducing molecules.

[richlevy]

You know, I'm going to write a science textbook that advances the theory that gravity is actually caused by tiny invisible angels holding everything down. I could probably sell 2 million in Texas alone.

[wolf]

Sorta the antithesis of Maxwell's Friction Demons?

[jaguar]

Central and south american natives use nicotine as a mind altering drug because their tobacco has almost twenty times the nicotine.

Considering that stuff was once upon a time a rather effective posion I hate to think what that's doing to them.

[Clodfobble]

...don't you smoke, jag?

[OnyxCougar]

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

Ok, to clarify.

I believe that the process of evolution is sufficiently proven to be an accepted theory.

I believe that there is no evidence of any sort pointing to a first cause for creation.

I believe that there is no evidence for a first cause for evolution.

I believe that creation may have occured, but as with evolution, there is no evidence for a first cause.

I know that I exist, I know that I am the *queue Architect's office scene* the result of a series of both genetic responses to environmental factors over a long time of biological evolution as well as a progressive evolution of thinking over a long period of time as well.

That is the closest thing that anyone knows.

Faith is not knowledge, it is acceptance, it does not stand up to empiricism, it cannot do so by definition.

That doesn't make it wrong either. Just unprovable.

I accept that there is the possibility that Xtians are right, but I also assert that they are no more likely to be right than any other religion as they all turn on the same axis, faith.

I agree with the essence of your statement. At last! Common ground!

[wolf]

Originally Posted by Clodfobble

...don't you smoke, jag?

That would be the righteousness of the reformed talking ...

[jaguar]

...don't you smoke, jag?

Very rarely cigarettes but the occasional cigar or joint. The nicotine/posion thing had nothing to do with that however.

[xoxoxoBruce]

I know that I exist, I know that I am the *queue Architect's office scene* the result of a series of both genetic responses to environmental factors over a long time of biological evolution as well as a progressive evolution of thinking over a long period of time as well.

I'm the result of a bottle of bourbon (Old Grand Dad) and a Steak dinner.

[Troubleshooter]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

I'm the result of a bottle of bourbon (Old Grand Dad) and a Steak dinner.

Only one bottle?

[Brown Thrasher]

I guess agnostic would best desribe me. I do not claim to even have a scientific mind. However, I do study Philosophy. If Interested there is a book
by James A. Gould called Classical Philosophical Questions. In this book, There are chapters such as The Ontological Argumet,The Cosmological Argument,etc... "Most intellectual people do not believe in God, But they fear him just the same." - William Reich I found that statement thought provoking.

[Mystic Rythm]

There is always evolution evolving in each and every life process.

[cowhead]

the world is funny like that.. hey! why don't we get this mighty braintrust together and take a stab at the religious/scientific/philosophical boogeyman.. THE UNIFIED THEORY!!!

there are so many holes that can be punched in both/all theories, they all involve an element of 'faith'... we don't know.. we will never know.. (not that that's not a reason to keep thinking about it.. somewhere in the middle ground i think there is the truth...) and i've speculated from everything from god(s) to alien intervention.. and I still don't know nor do I ever expect to (well when I die I hope there is atleast a nice information paphmlet available 'the facts, and how to deal with them' or something to that effect.. anyway It's time for sleep perchance to dream

[jaguar]

they all involve an element of 'faith'

No, they don't. That's the point of scientific discovery - best theory till another one comes along, no faith needed, just study of the evidence. I'm yet to see a hole in evolution as it stands, only missing parts.