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Old 10-30-2009, 08:52 PM   #1
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The assault on pr0n continues...

http://reason.com/archives/2009/10/2...f-extreme-porn

This is too big to repost so click through.

It seems that the government has sent two more porno producers for mixing Hollywood slasher and rape movie genres with hardcore sex films, producing what is now called obscenity. Either is acceptable on it's own, but apparently mixing them is not. Paul Little (Max Hardcore) is serving a prison term for similar charges.

I know Paul, slightly. We've met a few times and I once reviewed one of his videos. They may have been a bit over the top, but obscene? I don't think so. IMO, Lawnmower Man was obscene. So was I Spit On Your Grave. Porn is not obscene...it's sex between consenting, compensated adults.

Now, it's Extreme Associates on the block. They put out some halfway decent porn. The 90's were a time of boundary-pushing in the porn industry. But unless someone let someone underage perform, or otherwise broke the law, this charge is bogus.

I smell Christian fundies at work here. It's time they got rid of porn once and for all, some say. I disagree. The government should leave the porn industry alone. They don't hurt people...at least not without their consent. They don't force anyone to watch. They have been very successful in self-policing and self-regulating.

I have a finely-tuned sense of propriety. I know when I am offended. There are those who seek out any offense just for the experience of being offended and leaving their mark upon society by either banning that offense or forcing an apology from the offender.

I do not see any right in the Constitution that frees me from offence. I do not have the right to live my life free from being offended by someone else's speech, advertising, films or opinions.

There are some here in the Cellar who offend me with their "verbal" diarrhea and nonsensical postings. I don't demand apologies, their banning or censuring or even try to get the entire internet regulated so as to eliminate that offense. On the contrary, I will fight to the death to protect their own free-speech rights, even though they offend me. I can always ignore them or leave the conversation. I can disagree with them publicly or privately.

I am offended by street-level preachers, holier than thou religious figures, pompous politicians, people who are offended and don't seem to have the maturity to just leave it alone. Yet no one will ever see me trying to put these people in jail.

So why are they doing this?

It is my opinion, offensive or not, that these people are trying to force their own religious views and mores on others who do not believe as they do as a means of attaining what may be called "immortality". They will be remembered by all those of their ilk as the ones who wiped society clean of something that they found unpleasant. Even though their physical bodies will eventually die and their soul will go to it's final judgment and ultimate disposition, their memory will live on, much like their family name will live on through children.

It has been posited that children are a form of immortality, and deeds too, can be a form of immortality. Abraham Lincoln's words and deeds live on long after his death. I have always thought that as long as a person is remembered, they are not truly dead. When I am gone, my words will live on here in the Cellar Archives. Perhaps even in some internet archive as well. My wife will remember me, as will those of you whose life I have touched, however briefly or tangentially.

I'd like to think my touch was a positive factor and that my words did more good than harm. They are my legacy, as I leave no children.

Here, then, is the fundie's legacy...no porn to offend their bretheren or society at large. The People have been protected from immoral influence, whether or not they knew it to be a threat. And the credit will be all theirs.

I hope there is more of an outcry and petitions be circulated. Let the voice of the people be heard, telling these self-righteous pricks to sit down and stay out of our lives. Don't watch porn if it offends you, but let me enjoy some hardcore fucking in my home without anyone being harmed.

This is bullshit.
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Old 10-31-2009, 01:43 AM   #2
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We must protect you from yourself... to save your soul.
Everybody knows, people that watch porn go out and commit heinous sex crimes against grandmothers and animals.
Haven't you heard, everyone that commits murder, has seen porn.
Won't someone please think of the children, we must protect the children.
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Old 10-31-2009, 09:12 AM   #3
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Great post, Brian.

And Bruce, great follow-up.
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Old 11-01-2009, 08:50 PM   #4
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To find out why these particular people are being singled out, just follow the money. Either they failed to pay off the right people, or people who want their market share drove the prosecution from behind the scenes.

Don't blame the forces of morality, for those forces are merely fronts for making money.
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Old 11-02-2009, 07:47 AM   #5
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Excellent post Brian.

Very disturbing development.

The only problem I have with the porn industry is that quite often (especially the stuff coming in from Russia and eastern Europe)the level of 'consent' is questionable. Beyond that I have no problem with any of it.

I have had arguments with other feminists about porn. I know there is an argument that says it damages how men see women, that it contributes to a culture of women being perceived purely as sexual objects, there for use and conquest. Personally, I think the mainstream media and advertising is more problematic on that score: the sexualising of young girls and the gradual reduction in age of what is considered sexy. I have a much bigger problem with the tradition of dressing young girls in grown-up clothes, singing adult songs and mimicking the sexualised grown-up dances/pouts of older women as happens on the pageant scene, than any hardcore porn film. That is far more damaging to my mind than Debbie Does Dallas or pseudo-rape movies.
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Old 11-02-2009, 05:58 PM   #6
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Stop it, you're making me horny.

The legitimate porn industry is not a problem. Those who commit criminal acts by trying to hide behind Free Speech are the problem. Not only do they defile the unwilling, they dilute the value of The Bill of Rights.
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Old 11-03-2009, 02:55 PM   #7
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Not a big fan of porn. Especially at my age. I feel a bit uncomfortable looking at a Playboy because these ladies are like 20 years old. I have a daughter that is in her 30's. Just doesn't seem right.

No, I'm no saint, but I do believe there should be restrictions on porn and violence. Especially for criminals who get their jollies from watching then following through with these perverted fantasy's.

Honestly, I really don't see what good porn or violence does in any society.

I know... now it's time for a few hardy jokes.

...go for it.


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[It is my opinion, offensive or not, that these people are trying to force their own religious views and mores on others who do not believe as they do as a means of attaining what may be called "immortality".
I've always been curious about that statement (in bold). I have never in my life ever had anyone try to force a religious viewpoint or a specific moral on me unless I made a conscious decision to listen.

How is it possible, in a free society, to have a view "forced" upon you?

Please, don't think I'm trying to be a jerk (I don't want enemies). But, I am asking a legitimate question as to how this is possible.

On a personal note about porn... It's okay to watch porn in your own home. It's also okay if you don't want to.

Ding, ding, ding... I think I just saw the light of you reason.

I was thinking "one-on-one." You were thinking "forced" as being a law banning porn.

I'd like to discuss this further as it poses several points on both sides of the fence. I don't have time right now, but this would be a good discussion - if you don't mind discussing it.

Anyway, I'll catch you tomorrow for a little bit.

This is kind of exciting me me!

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Old 11-03-2009, 03:10 PM   #8
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All I can say, is: Welcome to America.

You'll first need to get out from your religiously-controlled Government, before you'll ever see true "freedom of thought, speech, and action."

Until you separate church, from state, you'll be forced to suffer similarly to those backwards countries in the middle-east, under the guise of a first-world, moral country.

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However, I've always found "pornography" to be a bit of a modern-day curio... We disallow prostitution, in may parts of the world, because it is "consensual, paid sexual contact, between two people of consensual age," but we allow pornography... when, by fair definition, it's the exact same thing.

I say, allow both, and tax the crap out of them. Prostitutes would live happier, healthier lives, if, by choice, they could sell their bodies... because they'd be regulated just like any other business - No more thug-like pimps, taking large portions of their money, beating them, and generally dehumanising them. They'd be treated no worse, at least, than your average porno actress, who, in turn, would be treated better, too, if the term "prostitute" became a legal one.

Just a few thoughts on the subject... If you think it's bullshit, fight for change... Change your Government from a bible-thumping, morally corrupt group of people, into something better... You have the power... The people always have the power.
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