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Old 02-23-2012, 09:08 AM   #76
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I can infer your answer on this, classic, from the last post, so this question is more for the real right wing like ......Merc
Now that is funny.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:29 PM   #77
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The term abortion is restricted to a viable fetus regardless of date of confinement or conception.
I remember a big hoo-hah about 15-20 years ago, where a woman who had miscarried saw the word "abortion" on her medical papers.

Her body had aborted a perfectly healthy foetus.

I know little about what the exact words mean now, but that did stick in my head.
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Old 02-23-2012, 12:44 PM   #78
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Induced labor of a viable infant where the baby is born and lives for one minute is a live birth. Induced labor of a non-viable infant is not a medically induced abortion, regardless of date of confinement or conception.

The term abortion is restricted to a viable fetus regardless of date of confinement or conception.

This is NOT true. From the good old Merriam Webster dictionary -


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abor·tion noun \ə-ˈbȯr-shən\
Definition of ABORTION
1: the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the death of the embryo or fetus: as
a : spontaneous expulsion of a human fetus during the first 12 weeks of gestation — compare miscarriage

b : induced expulsion of a human fetus
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Abortion is defined as the termination of pregnancy by the removal or expulsion from the uterus of a fetus or embryo prior to viability.

An abortion can occur spontaneously, in which case it is usually called a miscarriage, or it can be purposely induced.
The term abortion most commonly refers to the induced abortion of a human pregnancy.
From http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_resear...l_abortion.pdf

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A medical abortion is one that is brought about by taking
medications that will end a pregnancy. The alternative is
surgical abortion, which ends a pregnancy by emptying the
uterus (or womb) with special instruments. Either of two
medications, mifepristone or methotrexate, can be used for
medical abortion. Each of these medications is taken
together with another medication, misoprostol, to induce
an abortion
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:05 PM   #79
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Doctors here do use the word 'abortion' to describe a miscarriage.
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:26 PM   #80
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Old 02-23-2012, 03:50 PM   #81
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...Count how many people go to church weekly and actually live their lives by religious rules ....
Excuse me I'm confused, which one of those two groups were you wondering about?

Opinion: The movers & shakers running the Republican party are many unpleasant things, but they aren't stupid. They know to win the general election they need a more moderate candidate, but they could put a hard right wacko up for VP to placate the far right base. Santorum, former Senate point-man for K-street, is running for Vice-President.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:30 PM   #82
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I'm not so sure Romney would trust Santorum with being just a heartbeat away; however, Santorum might be content with running Homeland Security so he can bring back The Inquisition.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:45 PM   #83
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Excuse me I'm confused, which one of those two groups were you wondering about?
One group, those who do both of these things.

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Opinion: The movers & shakers running the Republican party are many unpleasant things, but they aren't stupid. They know to win the general election they need a more moderate candidate, but they could put a hard right wacko up for VP to placate the far right base. Santorum, former Senate point-man for K-street, is running for Vice-President.
It is hard to believe that anyone who an get to the top of such a big organisation could be stupid as the current mob appear.

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put a hard right wacko up for VP...
Worked great in 2008, eh?
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:48 PM   #84
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One heartbeat away from these idiots being toe to toe.
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Old 02-23-2012, 05:51 PM   #85
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What makes you think Romney would have a choice who's a heartbeat away? I think he'll do what he's told by the movers & shakers, even though they put the boots to McCain with Ms Airhead, if he wants the chance to run. He can't run, at least on the Republican ticket, without their blessing. If Santorum keeps running his mouth he may become too much of a liability to the ticket, but I think VP is his goal.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:02 PM   #86
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One group, those who do both of these things.
Oh that group... the ones that do fit that group, not the ones that claim to, could all meet in my living room.(18' x 14' )
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It is hard to believe that anyone who an get to the top of such a big organisation could be stupid as the current mob appear.
I saw a recent interview with Clinton, where he stated both Romney and Newt are very smart men who know how to play the game.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:49 PM   #87
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The word is "counterparts"
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:58 PM   #88
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I remember a big hoo-hah about 15-20 years ago, where a woman who had miscarried saw the word "abortion" on her medical papers.

Her body had aborted a perfectly healthy foetus.

I know little about what the exact words mean now, but that did stick in my head.
Yes, and to this day the terms "spontaneous abortion" remain in medical records, I see them every day, and no one doubts the meaning.
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Old 02-23-2012, 06:59 PM   #89
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Doctors here do use the word 'abortion' to describe a miscarriage.
Only with the prefix of "Spontaneous". Otherwise it means something else and documented as EAB or Elective Abortion.
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Old 02-23-2012, 07:05 PM   #90
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This is NOT true. From the good old Merriam Webster dictionary -




Another definition:



From http://www.prochoice.org/pubs_resear...l_abortion.pdf
Proof that medical experience trumps what you can look up on the internet and people are just more confused by the terms and what they think they mean vs how they are used and documented in medical records and how healthcare professionals understand them. And so far this thread is filled with a lot of mis-understanding....
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