Stand up or GTFO. - Page 3

Undertoad · 08-31-2016, 11:38 PM

Why is this is a thing we are paying attention to. Are all other problems solved?

If the next two seasons are a Chip Kelly tire fire, I will be entertained by it and it sounds like this event may help fan the flames.

sexobon · 08-31-2016, 11:54 PM

I don't follow football. Not at all. I just thought it would be funny if we could build this story up enough to get Donald Trump to label the guy a terrorist. Watching the news for it.

lumberjim · 09-01-2016, 12:16 AM

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Why is this is a thing we are paying attention to. Are all other problems solved?

If the next two seasons are a Chip Kelly tire fire, I will be entertained by it and it sounds like this event may help fan the flames.

I don't envy Chip. He got the hell out of dodge (Philly) just as the racist label was starting to stick. Cutting DeSean and LaShawn.... Keeping Riley Cooper.... Clearly a white supremacist.... Now this lands in his lap. Just change your name to Adolf, Chip. You're doooomed.

Spexxvet · 09-01-2016, 08:24 AM

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I don't have any issue with him having his girlfriend's opinion. Been there, done that... It won't end well... Nessa Diab is his Yoko.

I don't think you know this any more than "He has no idea what those people face on a daily".

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I have an issue with him trying to turn the spotlight away from something I enjoy and trying to force 'these conversations' onto people that don't give a fuck about his pet issue.

So are you against other players with their pet issues like curing cancer and supporting our troops, or are you just against his issue because it doesn't affect you?

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I love football. It's church to me. I look forward to Sunday. The last thing I want is for it to become the venue for random cork soakers to stand in front of reporters and talk shit about what other people 'should' do or How this county 'should' be.

But church is exactly where that shit is talked about.

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I was disgusted by his broad brush allegations about cops murdering minorities and being rewarded with paid leave. It's a juvenile, reactionary and inflammatory thing to say. He has no idea what those people face on a daily. He hasn't even read UT's pawn shop thread.

If you can't acknowledge that there's a problem, you aren't paying attention

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To condemn the entire country because of some overblown news stories about the oppression of rioters and cop haters is indicative of an emotional childish mind. Tw would not approve.

That there's a wide brush. You really have no concept of the blcak experience

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But it sure seems like he is reciting some shit his girl has been brain washing him with.

Assumption

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Football is about football. Nothing else. Don't bring your personal agenda to the game. That's not what the people that paid the money they earned came to see. Stand up with your teammates and give the contest 100% effort. One hunnet.

I would be consistent, then, if you are as outraged when a player genuflects, or points to the sky, or attributes his success to god. Are you?

lumberjim · 09-01-2016, 08:59 AM

posting line by line retorts like that is akin to interrupting someone repeatedly.

and.... your fly is down

Spexxvet · 09-01-2016, 09:01 AM

Caught you looking, ya perv

Happy Monkey · 09-01-2016, 09:50 AM

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I was disgusted by his broad brush allegations about cops murdering minorities and being rewarded with paid leave.

How is that "broad brush"? Was he saying that the vast majority of cops are on paid leave after killing minorities? That would be broad brush. Or was he saying that the vast majority of cops who kill minorities get no more punishment than paid leave? That's not broad brush.

tw · 09-01-2016, 10:08 AM

Standing for a flag and national anthem is about respect. It says nothing about support or attacking a nation. Plenty of non-Americans should also stand for the national anthem? If not, they should be condemned? Nonsense. It is only a flag. Far more relevant is the issue.

One can criticize a venue he has chosen. But that in no way and in no manner affects football. Football and some cops who are racist with their guns are two completely different issues.

We need only go back to Vietnam when so many burned flags. What do we know now? Those flag burners were right. Go figure. They were wrong among those who were only emotional and deceived back then. Now they were right after we learned facts. They used the flag only for what it is - a symbol.

Only a fool would worship a flag. At best, we give it respect. Whether he sat or stood in no way affects football - if one is dealing with this controversy logically. The flag has no relationship to football.

However, the NFL combines both to promoted the NFL for increased profits. The NFL has no business wrapping themselves in the flag. But it works when promoting to the emotional - who somehow assume a flag and football are all about patriotism.

footfootfoot · 09-01-2016, 01:54 PM

The thing I find most ironic about the argument that standing shows respect for those who died for our freedoms, is that one of those freedoms they died for was freedom of speech, or expression. (actions are considered expression and therefore fall under "speech")

The first amendment serves to protect speech, in particular unpopular speech. Popular speech, such as standing during the SSB, clearly doesn't need protecting unlike dissenting speech.

The other issues such as class, taste, appropriateness, hypocrisy, relevance, mendacity, are all up for discussion, but his patriotism, I feel, is not.

Gravdigr · 09-01-2016, 04:15 PM

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I don't follow football. Not at all. I just thought it would be funny if we could build this story up enough to get Donald Trump to label the guy a terrorist. Watching the news for it.

Maybe Trump will build a wall around the guy.

xoxoxoBruce · 09-01-2016, 04:35 PM

Trump was surprised how many Mexicans were in favor of the wall. They were throwing bricks at him for the wall.

tw · 09-01-2016, 05:41 PM

Due to evil terrorists, we now build big walls even around NFL games. You cannot even bring your favorite flask containing a preferred spirits. Terrorist won again. Got us to build more walls. And to drink only what their religion wants us to drink.

elSicomoro · 09-01-2016, 11:10 PM

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Trump was surprised how many Mexicans were in favor of the wall. They were throwing bricks at him for the wall.

Well yeah...they want to keep him out.

sexobon · 09-02-2016, 05:43 AM

[spinmeister] The Donald just wants to provide racquetball* courts for underprivileged children in Mexican border towns. [/spinmeister]

*They may have to settle for handball as racquets are expensive.

*In lieu of handballs they may have to use armadillos.

Griff · 09-02-2016, 07:09 AM

They will crush it in the next Olympics. Thanks Donald!

09-01-2016, 08:59 AM	#35
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	posting line by line retorts like that is akin to interrupting someone repeatedly. and.... your fly is down __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

09-01-2016, 09:01 AM	#36
Spexxvet Makes some feel uncomfortable Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 10,346	Caught you looking, ya perv __________________ "I'm certainly free, nay compelled, to spread the gospel of Spex. " - xoxoxoBruce

09-01-2016, 01:54 PM	#39
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	The thing I find most ironic about the argument that standing shows respect for those who died for our freedoms, is that one of those freedoms they died for was freedom of speech, or expression. (actions are considered expression and therefore fall under "speech") The first amendment serves to protect speech, in particular unpopular speech. Popular speech, such as standing during the SSB, clearly doesn't need protecting unlike dissenting speech. The other issues such as class, taste, appropriateness, hypocrisy, relevance, mendacity, are all up for discussion, but his patriotism, I feel, is not. __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

09-01-2016, 04:35 PM	#41
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Trump was surprised how many Mexicans were in favor of the wall. They were throwing bricks at him for the wall. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

09-02-2016, 07:09 AM	#45
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	They will crush it in the next Olympics. Thanks Donald! __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-31-2016, 11:38 PM	#31
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Why is this is a thing we are paying attention to. Are all other problems solved? If the next two seasons are a Chip Kelly tire fire, I will be entertained by it and it sounds like this event may help fan the flames.

08-31-2016, 11:54 PM	#32
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	I don't follow football. Not at all. I just thought it would be funny if we could build this story up enough to get Donald Trump to label the guy a terrorist. Watching the news for it.

09-01-2016, 10:08 AM	#38
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Standing for a flag and national anthem is about respect. It says nothing about support or attacking a nation. Plenty of non-Americans should also stand for the national anthem? If not, they should be condemned? Nonsense. It is only a flag. Far more relevant is the issue. One can criticize a venue he has chosen. But that in no way and in no manner affects football. Football and some cops who are racist with their guns are two completely different issues. We need only go back to Vietnam when so many burned flags. What do we know now? Those flag burners were right. Go figure. They were wrong among those who were only emotional and deceived back then. Now they were right after we learned facts. They used the flag only for what it is - a symbol. Only a fool would worship a flag. At best, we give it respect. Whether he sat or stood in no way affects football - if one is dealing with this controversy logically. The flag has no relationship to football. However, the NFL combines both to promoted the NFL for increased profits. The NFL has no business wrapping themselves in the flag. But it works when promoting to the emotional - who somehow assume a flag and football are all about patriotism.

09-01-2016, 05:41 PM	#42
tw Read? I only know how to write. Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 11,933	Due to evil terrorists, we now build big walls even around NFL games. You cannot even bring your favorite flask containing a preferred spirits. Terrorist won again. Got us to build more walls. And to drink only what their religion wants us to drink.

09-02-2016, 05:43 AM	#44
sexobon I love it when a plan comes together. Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 9,793	[spinmeister] The Donald just wants to provide racquetball* courts for underprivileged children in Mexican border towns. [/spinmeister] They may have to settle for handball as racquets are expensive. In lieu of handballs they may have to use armadillos.

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