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Old 11-09-2016, 01:47 PM   #16
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For what it's worth, the electoral college places the REAL, truly official vote on December 19th. A revolt won't happen, but if it makes anyone feel better to hold out hope...
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:03 PM   #17
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Yeah, not much hope for the Electoral College to revolt. Gore won the popular vote too.
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:17 PM   #18
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Plus, if there are any upsets, it will be the two Washington State electors who said they won't vote for Clinton even if she wins their state (which she did).
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Old 11-09-2016, 02:31 PM   #19
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The pendulum has swung back the other way. Nothing more, nothing less.
We'll see if its for four or eight years over time.
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Old 11-09-2016, 03:27 PM   #20
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Have you reckoned with the possibility that it will be more than 8? And if that's not realistic in your estimation, is it because he wouldn't dare, or the system is strong enough to refute him?
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:40 PM   #21
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His potential Attorney General, Rudy Giuliani, attempted to get a "2-3 month extension" on his final term as Mayor of NYC, after first proposing the repeal of term limits altogether, stating that it was his "obligation" to do so in the aftermath of 9-11.
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Old 11-09-2016, 04:49 PM   #22
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Some apparently do not realize the scope of this change.

Both houses and the president are now controlled by an extremist wing of the Republican party. This time by people whose power comes from insulting others; and without even basic economic or military comprehension. With knowledge based only in rhetoric. Many benchmark Republicans (ie George Wills, Paul Ryan) have resigned from this party, have been marginalized, or are under direct attack for not endorsing extremist rhetoric. Similarities to 1930 Germany are scary.

Supreme Court will have three justices replaced by extremists. All branches of government will not just be controlled - will be dominated by people who are popular because they are bullies. Again, similarities to 1930 Germany.

Laws that resulted in a massive economic meltdown will be restored. Other laws and regulations that have slowly improved the American economy, that protected consumers, that averted a great depression, and that obstructed monopolies will be rescinded. Any hope at averting environmental disasters and encouraging innovation will be quashed in the name of profits and centralized power.

A Democratic party is now completely toothless. And has no hope of recovery for at least 10 years - barring some major military or economic disaster. If history is any judge, even longer. In part because Democrats do not have a brainwashing machine (Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Fox News, Drudge Report, etc) that even took a Republican party away from its benchmark and moderate leaders.

Massive destruction to the economy, open trade, a united stand again China's Nine Dash Line, protection of the Baltics, international prosecution of major world criminals, increased respect from allies, human rights, innovation to prevent environmental disasters, a united front against Putin, preventing nuclear proliferation, and averting an impending disaster centered around S Korea - just some of the ongoing solutions that we know (from history and comments) will terminate - partly or fully. Even Republican moderates can no longer keep their party extremists in line.

You thought George Jr was an anomaly? He at least had a Democratic party to keep him somewhat honest. A new and unrestricted power structure exists With people who even said we want to subvert government. And who may change their tune now that their power is almost unlimited. They will control all three branches of government with healthy margins.

How it plays out will be interesting - and may take major warfare or economic depression to finally restore sanity.

The difference - we did not see what was coming with George Jr's administration. We know (from history and promises) what can happen with no other power to regulate or temper those unrestrained changes. I cannot think back to an America where so much power was concentrated in but one group with an extremist agenda. Americans have not seen this before.

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Old 11-09-2016, 05:11 PM   #23
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:26 PM   #24
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Meh. Y'all are a lil bent it seems. That will surely make things better.
Lets chill and see what happens.
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Old 11-09-2016, 05:27 PM   #25
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Both houses and the president are now controlled by an extremist wing of the Republican party.
You mean that guy that was a Democrat till last year?
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:14 PM   #26
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Trump has no ideology, but he got to where he is by using the Republican Party, which was already being taken over by the extremists (Boehner was ousted for being too liberal). The extremists are his power base in Congress, and some of the remaining relative moderates are now on his enemies list for denouncing him.

I wouldn't put it past him to drop them without a second thought if they were no longer useful, but I think they will continue to be useful to him. And why wouldn't he sign whatever they give him, if it keeps them on his side?
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Old 11-09-2016, 06:24 PM   #27
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Trump has no ideology, but he got to where he is by using the Republican Party, which was already being taken over by the extremists (Boehner was ousted for being too liberal).
Which also makes it interesting. Especially when Trump has a long history of screwing his counterparties.

When is a trump card also a wild card?
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Old 11-09-2016, 08:16 PM   #28
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More potential appointments: (rumors from Trump transition team vetting process)
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Other possible picks are similar to Christie: major public backers of Trump are being considered for a variety of cabinet positions, some of which manage scientific research or policy. Physician and politician Ben Carson, for example, is being considered for a variety of positions, including Health and Human Services. So is Newt Gingrich. Sarah Palin is a possibility for a number of positions as well, among them the head of the Department of the Interior.

Interior manages the US' public lands, including its National Parks. As part of this task, it handles energy extraction done on these lands, both fossil fuel and renewable (it's been critical for managing the first offshore wind projects in the US). It also hosts the Fish and Wildlife Service, which enforces the Endangered Species Act. Obviously, Palin's "drill baby drill" mentality would mean a major change of direction for Interior, as would another possible choice: Forrest Lucas, founder of an oil company.

Trump's son, Donald Junior, is reportedly also interested in the job.
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Old 11-09-2016, 09:03 PM   #29
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For the second time in 16 years the popular vote is discarded in favor of the electoral college vote.
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Old 11-10-2016, 11:19 AM   #30
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Add Kris Kobach to the mix. The architect of the law allowing police to jail anyone who looks like an illegal immigrant if they aren't carrying proof of citizenship.
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