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Old 12-15-2016, 06:13 PM   #46
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Nothing more. She should have been fired.

But she wound up being fired because she put her religion before her job. That proposed law up two posts above talks about protecting people who act based on their religious beliefs
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Old 12-15-2016, 06:24 PM   #47
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Bingo.
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Old 12-15-2016, 07:11 PM   #48
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Old 12-16-2016, 12:30 PM   #49
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But she wound up being fired because she put her religion before her job. That proposed law up two posts above talks about protecting people who act based on their religious beliefs
Same with the now out of business bakery.
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Old 12-16-2016, 03:30 PM   #50
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I've scrolled through every page of this thread but I can't find the question...? (Did this yesterday also, couldn't find it, and resumed having a busy day at work.)

If it helps you to understand why I take a long time to return phone calls, texts, instant messages, and questions posed to me in message boards, it's because answers are complicated and I take a long time to weigh all of the factors before reaching a conclusion I'm 100% comfortable with. Also, the aforementioned busy day (and/or other social commitments such as literally being at a BBQ with friends), and also a fair amount of social anxiety / avoidant personality (aka Roast Beef syndrome).

"Shaming me" for not responding quick enough doesn't help. If you care.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:17 PM   #51
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:24 PM   #52
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I answered your "is it news" question in the thread it's in. It's not this thread.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:27 PM   #53
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How is the Federal Government discriminating against these people now? How will that change with this bill?
If this is the question you're asking why I didn't answer, I'll attempt to answer it, in this thread. But it will take me more time than I have right now, so I'm not going to do it right now. If you care. The short answer is that the question already got answered in this thread, subsequently before I had a chance to formulate an answer that I felt was comprehensive--somebody else answered the question easily in a few short sentences, which isn't my best skill. If you care. Federal vs. State/local is a complicating factor. Those laws don't always agree, and sometimes the overlap, and sometimes their jurisdiction isn't clear. Sometimes you pass a law in one place as a model for what you'd like to see done somewhere else. And I think the post you deleted touched on the question of making a political statement, which factors into this as well. If you care.

If you only care about replies that come in a timeframe that you're demanding (but not specifying), and then throw a temper tantrum when people don't comply with your unstated expectations, then best to just forget about it. It's not a chatroom, people can read and reply at their leisure, I had thought.
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:49 PM   #54
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:57 PM   #55
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Old 12-16-2016, 04:58 PM   #56
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Okay, you've driven me away from the Cellar a second time now.
I get the message, I won't come back. You don't want me here.
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:36 PM   #57
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Old 12-16-2016, 09:53 PM   #58
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The bill aims to prevent the federal government from taking action against people who discriminate against LGBTQ people for religious reasons.
American was founded on a basic principle. One never imposes their religious beliefs on anyone. Ever. Earliest settlers came here because others imposed their religious beliefs on them in a harmful (discriminatory) manner.

Does not matter what your religion says. No American - for legal and for ethical reasons - no American does or cares what any other persons sexual preference is. Even worse, if that is done for religious reasons, then the perpetrator should be condemned as something worse than a Satanic worshiper.

No decent American ever discriminates against LGBTQ people for religious reasons. Ever. Religion is only a relationship between that one person and his god. It has no place imposed on anyone else anywhere in this world for any reason. We had to learn the evil of such religious actions the hard way - Spanish Inquisition, Holocaust, etc.

Religion is only how a man interfaces with his god. No man imposes religious beliefs on anyone else - if he is a good American.

First Amendment Defense Act should be retitled "We want to rape you because out religious says we should". But that would be too honest.
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Old 12-17-2016, 10:47 AM   #59
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I don't think that's going to pressure the electoral college.
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Old 12-17-2016, 11:09 AM   #60
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and then throw a temper tantrum when people don't comply with your unstated expectations
Psychological projection

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Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which humans defend themselves against their own unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.
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