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Old 10-29-2009, 09:33 AM   #1186
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And any failure of the proposed health plan will be Obama's fault.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:39 AM   #1187
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And there you have it. The microcosm of plans at reform is failing.

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Three years after Massachusetts enacted its sweeping health-reform legislation, rising health costs continue to bedevil the state and threaten to derail reform efforts.

Despite a significant restructuring of the state's health sector and dominance of nonprofit health plans, Massachusetts still has the highest health-insurance costs in the nation, averaging $13,788 for a family, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.

One of the reasons so many people supported the reform effort in Massachusetts is that they were told universal coverage would lead to lower costs. With universal coverage, Massachusetts politicians argued, as many in Washington do today, people would no longer have to pay the medical bills of those who don't have insurance—the "free riders"—and therefore health-insurance premiums would fall, or at least level off.

Ex-Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, who led the reform effort, wrote an opinion piece for The Wall Street Journal (April 11, 2006) at the time the law was adopted, saying: "Every uninsured citizen in Massachusetts will soon have affordable health insurance and the costs of health care will be reduced."

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A Great Success: The facts tell the story of Massachusetts' remarkably successful health-reform law But such a reduction is proving much more difficult to achieve. Indeed, the state's major insurers plan to increase premiums by 7% to 12% next year, with small businesses facing the largest increases.

In fact, those premiums may be going up because more people are in plans that pay doctors and hospitals at lower, government rates, causing a shift in costs to private insurance payers. The Seattle-based actuarial firm Milliman Inc. estimates that the average U.S. family in a private plan pays an additional $1,788 a year to compensate for lower payments by public plans, representing a hidden tax on private insurance.

The nonpartisan Center for Studying Health System Change, in Washington, D.C., conducted a 2008 study of the Massachusetts reforms that included interviews with representatives of employer groups, benefits consultants, health plans, health-care providers and policy makers. Many of these parties said they were concerned that unless the costs of health care in the state were brought under control, "the current trajectory of the reform is financially unsustainable."
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:45 AM   #1188
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And any failure of the proposed health plan will be Obama's fault.
And its success will be credited to all Democrats.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:46 AM   #1189
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And its success will be credited to all Democrats.
Tell it to those who are left without insurance.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:48 AM   #1190
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Tell it to those who are left without insurance.
You can tell them right now. The repubicans want to keep it that way.
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Old 10-29-2009, 09:53 AM   #1191
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You can tell them right now. The repubicans want to keep it that way.
Don't half to. The new Demoncratic plans will neither fix health care nor provide insurance to every single legal American.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:01 AM   #1192
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:19 AM   #1193
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Don't half to. The new Demoncratic plans will neither fix health care nor provide insurance to every single legal American.
The current repubican plan has broken healthcare and the bank.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:26 AM   #1194
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Generally speaking, both parties are to blame. - It's ridiculous to entirely blame anything on one party or the other. Thats what they want - a divided people. Then they - oh nevermind.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:32 AM   #1195
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Generally speaking, both parties are to blame. - It's ridiculous to entirely blame anything on one party or the other. Thats what they want - a divided people. Then they - oh nevermind.
It's all Merc's fault!:p
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:36 AM   #1196
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The current repubican plan has broken healthcare and the bank.
What plan? They have had no input.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:40 AM   #1197
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What plan? They have had no input.
The reality, as it exists now.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:41 AM   #1198
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The reality, as it exists now.
How about you explain to all of us how any one party is responsible for 60 years of the development of the US Healthcare system?
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How about you explain to all of us how any one party is responsible for 60 years of the development of the US Healthcare system?
repubicans have had the presidency 28 of the last 40 years and the only thing they've done about healthcare was to block reform during the Clinton administration. Assholes.
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Old 10-29-2009, 10:50 AM   #1200
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repubicans have had the presidency 28 of the last 40 years and the only thing they've done about healthcare was to block reform during the Clinton administration. Assholes.
What a whinny cop out. You fail.
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