Impeding changes to our Health Care system

[classicman]

I heard this am that almost 10 million of the uninsured in America are not Americans at all. I believe it was about 20% of the total number uninsured. I dunno how I feel about this. I don't even know if this is a true statement. That does seem like a large percentage though.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

She may have a less cynical view of America. I'd like to agree with her that shouting out a town hall meeting to make sure nobody gets heard is unamerican, or that pretending that living wills are death panels is uinamerican, but I'm not sure I can.

Eh... no different than how all the Demoncratic supporters acted when Bush was in office. Hell, they could just do the same thing they did and close their town hall meetings to invitation only with pre-printed signs supporting what ever it was they were talking about. It does not change the fact that a large percentage of people are very concerned with the changes Congress is Rahming through on this health plan.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by classicman

I heard this am that almost 10 million of the uninsured in America are not Americans at all. I believe it was about 20% of the total number uninsured. I dunno how I feel about this. I don't even know if this is a true statement. That does seem like a large percentage though.

There is a huge disparity in the numbers reported. Since your mother and father could both be illegal aliens but because momma got across the border before she birthed her child the child is technically not counted by many as "illegal". This is a common event.

Here is a study of the issue.

http://www.kff.org/uninsured/upload/7451-04.pdf

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by richlevy

So, going by averages, if you take the drug for 6 months until you die, you have gained 2 months at a cost of $24,000.

Including the death option in the same letter as the denial was insensitive, but I can see where someone would want the information. I heard John Wayne tried to commit suicide during his final months.

Any way you look at it, it is a form of rationing care. It happens now and will have to happen to a greater degree under any government run plan.

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

. Hell, they could just do the same thing they did and close their town hall meetings to invitation only with pre-printed signs supporting what ever it was they were talking about.

So I guess we'll never know whether Democratic supporters would have behaved the same.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

So I guess we'll never know whether Democratic supporters would have behaved the same.

Yea, well if you support something why would you feel a need to protest against it? Do we really know what the individuals who are protesting party affiliation? Or is that an assumption?

Like I said we saw the same thing when people protested again the Repubs but they just controlled the environment better. Which of you were the ones saying that protest IS the democratic way, right, and responsiblity of all Americans?

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Now where have I heard this before.... hmmmmmmm....

In a Tight Spot, Pelosi Calls Health Care Critics 'Un-American'

Pushing her agenda and attempting to demonize the oppostion. A play right out of the Republickin's book. Say hello to the Nazi Pelosi...

I would suggest that the demonizing is on the side that has been saying that the Obama and/or various Congressional plans:

- are like a single payer European or socialist style program

- will ration health care and put personal health care decisions in the hands of government bureaucrats

- mandate government funded abortion on demand

- will give the government total unfettered access to personal medical records

- and still the best...provide for death panels or forced euthanasia.

I particularly like how Sarah Palin described it:

The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's "death panel" so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their "level of productivity in society," whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.

[Shawnee123]

Jebus, why does she gotta start everything out with "I love America more than anyone" or some such crap?

[Happy Monkey]

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Like I said we saw the same thing when people protested again the Repubs but they just controlled the environment better.

In other words, we didn't see the same thing, but you're assuming we would have if the situation had been different.

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

Say hello to the Nazi Pelosi...

So Pelosi is a Nazi and Franken is a pedophile......demonizing much?

Who's next?

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

I would suggest that the demonizing is on the side that has been saying that the Obama and/or various Congressional plans:
are like a single payer European or socialist style program

Not yet, but that is the long term goal.

- will ration health care and put personal health care decisions in the hands of government bureaucrats

Already occurs with all government run and private health insurance programs.

- mandate government funded abortion on demand

Yea, I haven't seen that in the currently proposed bill. But I don't really care that much about the issue.

- will give the government total unfettered access to personal medical records

Actually the current Bill is unclear because it does command "Reporting". It does not say what information will be excluded. I suspect HIPPA will prevent most PII from being transmitted.

- and still the best...provide for death squads or forced euthanasia.

Yea, I don't think most people believe that one.

I particularly like how Sarah Palin described it:

Palin is not the spokes person for the majority of people who oppose the Congressional plan to Rahm this bill through to approval.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

So Pelosi is a Nazi and Franken is a pedophile......demonizing much?

Who's next?

I guess turn around is fair game. I think she act like a Nazi dictator, but that is a personal opinion.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

In other words, we didn't see the same thing, but you're assuming we would have if the situation had been different.

No, I am saying we saw many of the same behaviors of those who opposed 8 years of Bush and the Republickins in charge. And now that the Dems are getting a taste of the same thing it is suddenly "un-American". Funny, I am sure I have heard that some where...

Originally Posted by TheMercenary

I guess turn around is fair game. I think she act like a Nazi dictator, but that is a personal opinion.

Thanks, Merc.

You made my point about demonizing.

[TheMercenary]

Originally Posted by Redux

Thanks, Merc.

You made my point about demonizing.

Why you are very welcome!