I defaulted to politics on this one, I was torn.

Troubleshooter · 02-28-2005, 01:02 PM

http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/index.html

FACTS

The Beast is currently in pre-production.

The cast and crew are legally sworn to secrecy.

The theory that Jesus Christ never existed, while largely unknown to most lay Christians, is gaining credibility among scholars. Historians do not consider the Gospels to be historically accurate accounts. The authors of the Gospels, writing 40 to 90 years after the supposed life of Christ, never intended for their works to be read as biographies. There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived.

BEHIND THE MOVIE

The Beast is directed by internationally acclaimed filmmaker Brian Flemming. Flemming's work has been called "a parallel universe" by the BBC, "jaggedly imaginative" by the New York Times, and "immensely satisfying" by USA Today. The Fox News Channel dubbed him "a young Oliver Stone." Flemming won the New York Times Claiborne Pell Award for Original Vision for his groundbreaking feature film Nothing So Strange, which was released theatrically in 2003 and is currently distributed on DVD in more than 200 countries.

Flemming is a former fundamentalist Christian. An in-depth interview with him is available in the first issue of The Beast newsletter. For a more extensive biography, see the Internet Movie Database.

Beestie · 02-28-2005, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

... gaining credibility among scholars.

Historians do not consider...

The authors of the Gospels never intended...

Are you ready for the TRUTH?

Can you HANDLE the TRUTH?

How bad do you WANT the TRUTH?

[pee wee herman voice] That'll be be nine dollars and fifty cents please. [/pee wee]

Troubleshooter · 02-28-2005, 01:42 PM

jaguar · 02-28-2005, 01:42 PM

Wow. That website is horrible. That was the most notable thing about it.

Troubleshooter · 02-28-2005, 01:45 PM

Yeah, a bit thin on content. I think that that is going to be their angle to get people to see it though.

Beestie · 02-28-2005, 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaguar

Wow. That website is horrible. That was the most notable thing about it.

The trailer is a complete eye-rolling joke as well. I checked this guy out on IMDB and he isn't exactly living up to the billing as indicated in TS' original post.

I have a feeling that what we have here is a mouse with a 200 megawatt bullhorn.

jaguar · 02-28-2005, 02:23 PM

not so much content as style (or total and utter lack thereof, it looks like the graphics were done in 10 minutes in paint shop pro) and the......design....if you want to call it that. Whole thing reeks of amateurism, I've seen plenty of student films that look far, far more professional. Flemming needs to hire some decent post-production people.

Schrodinger's Cat · 02-28-2005, 02:36 PM

I'm just wondering - why SHOULD there be credible references to Christ in any surving non-Christian documents?

From: Pontius Pilate
Jerusalem

To: Ceasar
Rome

Regional Report for April, 0 AD

Collected 30,000 pieces of silver in taxes

Quashed two minor uprisings, sustaining one Roman fatality and two wounded - both wounded expected to fully recover.

Held spring training for 2 Roman Legions - officers report the men are fit and in good spirits

Secured 200 horses for military use

Secured 400 swords for same

Executed 3 local jewish criminals by standard technique of nailing them to
crosses

The messenger who brings you this dispatch is also bringing along my personal gift to you of 10 virgins accomplished in exotic veil dancing techniques. I hope this humble gift pleases you, oh, Ceasar.

Sincerely,

Pontius Pilate

BigV · 02-28-2005, 06:38 PM

uh-huh. sounds like and attempt to cash in on the date June sixth, next year. Some hook.

Beestie · 02-28-2005, 06:50 PM

June 6, 2006.

So, there's no Christ, but let's use the interest in the antiChrist to create interest in the story???

Somebody needs to think this through a little more.

Troubleshooter · 02-28-2005, 06:55 PM

Marketing and reason don't always go hand in hand.

OnyxCougar · 03-01-2005, 10:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Troubleshooter

http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/index.html

FACTS

......

The theory that Jesus Christ never existed, while largely unknown to most lay Christians, is gaining credibility among scholars. Historians do not consider the Gospels to be historically accurate accounts. The authors of the Gospels, writing 40 to 90 years after the supposed life of Christ, never intended for their works to be read as biographies. There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived.

..............

Really? Please cite these scholars.

I'm in fact reading a book that says the scholars AND secular historians actually DO think the gospels are authentic, accurate, and entirely credible.

lookout123 · 03-01-2005, 10:47 AM

ok, before we get too far, let's acknowledge that
A) if you have already made up your mind that christianity is a farce, then absolutely no study in the world will convince you otherwise.
B) if you have decided that christianity is the real deal, then likewise, no study will convince you otherwise.

all new information we see has to be filtered through our own preconceived beliefs and skepticism. i've recently been reading The Case For Christ by Lee Sobelman. it is written in an interview format, using experts in their respective fields to establish whether or not Christ existed and if so, was He divine. While reading it i was struck with the idea that, although i'm ok with this study and publication, if i had already decided against the existence of Christ i would probably just write the study off as BS. - in the same way that i'm skeptical of projects such as the one that started this thread.

having an open mind is an extremely difficult thing to do.

Troubleshooter · 03-01-2005, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnyxCougar

Really? Please cite these scholars.

I'm in fact reading a book that says the scholars AND secular historians actually DO think the gospels are authentic, accurate, and entirely credible.

Before we delve into the credibility of your scholars let us clarify something.

All I did was post a link to a movie and the text from the movie's splash page. I made no assertions of any kind.

The only text that was mine was "I defaulted to politics on this one, I was torn."

OnyxCougar · 03-01-2005, 11:22 AM

Ah. When you posted

FACTS

I assumed you meant these were your words, not the link.

I apologize.

And when you want the credibility of my scholars, I can post a list of their names and degrees and associations. It would take a while to type. Or you could pick up "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, and read what the scholars are saying.

There will always be people who and interpret the evidence differently (see evolution v. creation) but the fact remains there is evidence.

02-28-2005, 01:02 PM	#1
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	I defaulted to politics on this one, I was torn. http://www.thebeastmovie.com/about/index.html FACTS The Beast is currently in pre-production. The cast and crew are legally sworn to secrecy. The theory that Jesus Christ never existed, while largely unknown to most lay Christians, is gaining credibility among scholars. Historians do not consider the Gospels to be historically accurate accounts. The authors of the Gospels, writing 40 to 90 years after the supposed life of Christ, never intended for their works to be read as biographies. There are no credible non-Christian references to Christ during the period in which he is said to have lived. BEHIND THE MOVIE The Beast is directed by internationally acclaimed filmmaker Brian Flemming. Flemming's work has been called "a parallel universe" by the BBC, "jaggedly imaginative" by the New York Times, and "immensely satisfying" by USA Today. The Fox News Channel dubbed him "a young Oliver Stone." Flemming won the New York Times Claiborne Pell Award for Original Vision for his groundbreaking feature film Nothing So Strange, which was released theatrically in 2003 and is currently distributed on DVD in more than 200 countries. Flemming is a former fundamentalist Christian. An in-depth interview with him is available in the first issue of The Beast newsletter. For a more extensive biography, see the Internet Movie Database. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-28-2005, 01:42 PM	#3
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	__________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-28-2005, 01:42 PM	#4
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Wow. That website is horrible. That was the most notable thing about it. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

02-28-2005, 01:45 PM	#5
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Yeah, a bit thin on content. I think that that is going to be their angle to get people to see it though. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

02-28-2005, 02:23 PM	#7
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	not so much content as style (or total and utter lack thereof, it looks like the graphics were done in 10 minutes in paint shop pro) and the......design....if you want to call it that. Whole thing reeks of amateurism, I've seen plenty of student films that look far, far more professional. Flemming needs to hire some decent post-production people. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

02-28-2005, 02:36 PM	#8
Schrodinger's Cat Macavity Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A Black Box Posts: 157	I'm just wondering - why SHOULD there be credible references to Christ in any surving non-Christian documents? From: Pontius Pilate Jerusalem To: Ceasar Rome Regional Report for April, 0 AD Collected 30,000 pieces of silver in taxes Quashed two minor uprisings, sustaining one Roman fatality and two wounded - both wounded expected to fully recover. Held spring training for 2 Roman Legions - officers report the men are fit and in good spirits Secured 200 horses for military use Secured 400 swords for same Executed 3 local jewish criminals by standard technique of nailing them to crosses The messenger who brings you this dispatch is also bringing along my personal gift to you of 10 virgins accomplished in exotic veil dancing techniques. I hope this humble gift pleases you, oh, Ceasar. Sincerely, Pontius Pilate __________________ Macavity, Macavity, there's no on like Macavity, He's broken every human law, he breaks the law of gravity. - T.S. Eliot, Old Possum's Book of Practical Cats

02-28-2005, 06:38 PM	#9
BigV Goon Squad Leader Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 27,063	uh-huh. sounds like and attempt to cash in on the date June sixth, next year. Some hook. __________________ Be Just and Fear Not.

02-28-2005, 06:50 PM	#10
Beestie -◊\|≡·∙■·∙≡\|◊- Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Parts unknown. Posts: 4,081	June 6, 2006. So, there's no Christ, but let's use the interest in the antiChrist to create interest in the story??? Somebody needs to think this through a little more. __________________ ♠ ♥ ♣ ♦

02-28-2005, 06:55 PM	#11
Troubleshooter The urban Jane Goodall Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 3,012	Marketing and reason don't always go hand in hand. __________________ I have gained this from philosophy: that I do without being commanded what others do only from fear of the law. - Aristotle

03-01-2005, 10:47 AM	#13
lookout123 changed his status to single Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Right behind you. No, the other side. Posts: 10,308	ok, before we get too far, let's acknowledge that A) if you have already made up your mind that christianity is a farce, then absolutely no study in the world will convince you otherwise. B) if you have decided that christianity is the real deal, then likewise, no study will convince you otherwise. all new information we see has to be filtered through our own preconceived beliefs and skepticism. i've recently been reading The Case For Christ by Lee Sobelman. it is written in an interview format, using experts in their respective fields to establish whether or not Christ existed and if so, was He divine. While reading it i was struck with the idea that, although i'm ok with this study and publication, if i had already decided against the existence of Christ i would probably just write the study off as BS. - in the same way that i'm skeptical of projects such as the one that started this thread. having an open mind is an extremely difficult thing to do. __________________ Getting knocked down is no sin, it's not getting back up that's the sin

03-01-2005, 11:22 AM	#15
OnyxCougar Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Kingdom of Atlantia Posts: 2,979	Ah. When you posted FACTS I assumed you meant these were your words, not the link. I apologize. And when you want the credibility of my scholars, I can post a list of their names and degrees and associations. It would take a while to type. Or you could pick up "The Case for Christ" by Lee Strobel, and read what the scholars are saying. There will always be people who and interpret the evidence differently (see evolution v. creation) but the fact remains there is evidence. __________________ Impotentes defendere libertatem non possunt. "Repetition does not transform a lie into a truth." ~Franklin D. Roosevelt

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