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Old 12-29-2008, 03:19 PM   #46
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It was a much more traumatic event, worldwide, than the numbers will look like to future historians. It's been topped in casualties and property damage but not in historical importance, before.

We've been attacked before and probably will be again, but we'll survive and endure. I just regret our response was mismanaged and sidetracked.
I don't think our inital response was mismanaged that poorly nor was it incorrect, but we were completely sidetracked by Iraq. That was a fiasco. To late for that. It is our tarbaby for the foreseable future.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:26 PM   #47
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I suspect that it's not: taking my shoes off, or jamming 3 oz toiletries into a 1 qt ziploc.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:27 PM   #48
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I suspect that it's not taking my shoes off, or jamming 3 oz toiletries into a 1 qt ziploc.
you are funny as hell. Of course you don't get any of this.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:45 PM   #49
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:45 PM   #50
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I don't think our inital response was mismanaged that poorly nor was it incorrect,...
I agree it was correct, but I think the White House should have listened to the Pentagon's assessment of what was needed in men and materiel, instead of Rumsfeld's plan to use a minimal force (and Afghan war lords) to chase the scumbags across the border into Pakistan. I'm convinced that was a huge mistake that has cost us dearly, and will for years to come.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:48 PM   #51
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I don't get it? I don't get it.
You're wrong. As usual.
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:50 PM   #52
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Bruce: I agree it was correct, but I think the White House should have listened to the Pentagon's assessment of what was needed in men and materiel, instead of Rumsfeld's plan to use a minimal force (and Afghan war lords) to chase the scumbags across the border into Pakistan. I'm convinced that was a huge mistake that has cost us dearly, and will for years to come.

At this point I am not sure how we can recover from it in a military sense. And I see that the Paki's are taking a turn away from the issue as things with India heat up. In fact, the radical elements in their government may have been attempting to provoke this crisis between their countries in an effor to take some of the heat off the Western front. Who knows?
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:53 PM   #53
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Old 12-29-2008, 03:58 PM   #54
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Mike Yon said the only way we can recover in Afghanistan is to rebuild, and greatly expand, their infrastructure so the people have an alternative to kissing the taliban's ass to survive. He gave a reasoned argument that sounded logical, but like most people I don't know for sure, just haven't heard any better suggestions.
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Old 12-29-2008, 04:09 PM   #55
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so the people have an alternative
That alone makes it more logical than anything else we've seen. Forcing Western democracy and free markets isn't going to create a good impression unless the population wants Western democracy and free markets. They have to be allowed to choose, or at least be under the impression that they have a choice.
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Old 12-29-2008, 11:47 PM   #56
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Showing them how to grow alternative crops to opium poppies won't work unless they have a market to sell them and a road to get there.
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:38 AM   #58
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Way to make the scene, sull! Welcome.
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Old 01-10-2009, 05:15 AM   #59
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So far. Not funny.
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