Today is International Non-sequitur Day - Page 3

Shawnee123 · 02-04-2008, 01:14 PM

My favorite band: Steely Dan
Favorite album from that band: Aja
Favorite song on that album: Black Cow

Luckily, non-sequitur day has ended.

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 02:24 PM

the guy that sang Ghostbusters is better than Steely Dan

Flint · 02-04-2008, 02:32 PM

Yeah, he's so good that his only hit was a rip-off of Huey Lewis that he got sued for.

For those how aren't aware of this: Steely Dan isn't a "band" - it's two musician/arrangers who gathered together the greatest combination(s) of first-call studio players ever assembled, picking and choosing for each track who the line-up would be, down to bringing in dozens of guys in to track just the right guitar solo for any given song.

If one were to have any interest in quality musicianship, this band should be an encyclopedia of technique.

Undertoad · 02-04-2008, 02:33 PM

You can't be our friend any more

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 02:35 PM

if liking steely dan is on your deal breaker list, then yes. we cannot.

Shawnee123 · 02-04-2008, 02:39 PM

Yep, Flint: Becker and Fagan. I did know that, but also got some good schooling about them from my ex, the piano player.

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flint

For those how aren't aware of this: Steely Dan isn't a "band" - it's two musician/arrangers who gathered together the greatest combination(s) of first-call studio players ever assembled, picking and choosing for each track who the line-up would be, down to bringing in dozens of guys in to track just the right guitar solo for any given song.

If one were to have any interest in quality musicianship, this band should be an encyclopedia of technique.

yeah, yeah. an orchestral approach to rock music. guess what? that doesn't blow my skirt up even a little bit.

In fact.....'the White Stripes' is all I have to say in reply. you think about that, mister. think long and hard.

Flint · 02-04-2008, 03:00 PM

I didn't say it was an orchestral approach; but since you mention it, what, you don't like Dark Side of the Moon? For instance. There's never been any music that you liked that was planned out in any way? As far as you know, you've been duped hundreds of times by bands that try to appear "gritty" and spontaneous.

I don't know enough about the White Stripes to have any thoughts about them. I think I heard that one song they did a while back, on the jukebox in a bar, or something. And, there was that one song on the opening credits to Napoleon Dynamite. As far as I know, you have the one dude playing blues chords while the chick he's doing does a Ringo impersonation, right?

Undertoad · 02-04-2008, 04:19 PM

LJ: Hey aren't you that guy Picasso? That guy who paints?

Picasso: Yes, I am he.

LJ: Oh wow! I like paintings... you know my favorites? Those paintings of the little waif girls with the great big eyes. You know, the ones they used to have at motels? They're cute, but at the same time they're kind of sad, you know?

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 04:43 PM

UT: excuse me, fellas, I need to get past you here....I wet the bed again, and i dont want my piss sheets to get on you.....stand back just a bit if you would? thanks.

Flint · 02-04-2008, 05:50 PM

And, by the way, the reason you learn more technique is so you can be more expressive. If a musical situation calls for a certain thing, and you don't have that skill, then the expression suffers because you didn't do your homework.

Do highly technical players tend to get that "polished" sound? Sometimes, but isn't that just the sound of them knowing what the fuck they're doing?

Not that there isn't some quaint charm to listening to some sweaty dude play his three favorite riffs/only three riffs he knows, in every situation, but seriously, how many times do you need to hear him express that same old "feeling" - and it isn't that he doesn't have more nuanced emotions inside him, it's just that he doesn't have the technical skills necessary to express them. And he lashes out at more technical music in a "sour grapes" fashion.

lumberjim · 02-04-2008, 06:14 PM

or perhaps he has the skills, but sees that the message he's trying to convey has no need of them? or maybe he doesn't have need of that skill because he is able to express his feeling with his 3 riffs. why does it have to be sour grapes? maybe the super technical guy that knows all the chords and techniques is covering his lack of soul by barraging the listener with piles of intertwined tripe? dja ever think of that? huh, white boi?

the more concerned you are with using all of your tricks and skills, the less concerned you can be with communicating the emotion in a piece of music. there are those 'sweaty guys' and 'polished guys' out there. i was just saying that i tend to like loud drums, and heavy bass, and powerful guitar. lyrics can be jibberish as long as the sound of the voice is good, and it fits with the song.

that said, i DO like some intricate stuff....like Bach....etc....but USUALLY, given my druthers.....let's get the Led out!

Cicero · 02-04-2008, 06:20 PM

[quote=Flint;429690]Yeah, he's so good that his only hit was a rip-off of Huey Lewis that he got sued for.

QUOTE]

American Psycho liked Huey Lewis, but Huey Lewis didn't like American Psycho........Imagine that, Huey Lewis saying that a movie soundtrack isn't good enough for them...after such hits as "I want a new drug"...... I guess they might be as sensitive as me...I don't want them to make a come-back either....

linky:

http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/...ndtrack_recall

(Proving once and for all that you can't be friends just because of similar music taste

)

warch · 02-04-2008, 07:21 PM

How can you say Led is not intricate? Pshaw.

Dan does Dan very well. Led does Led.

Its a matter of good creative choice. Like a great chef.

Flint · 02-04-2008, 10:25 PM

There's nothing worse than a guy with blazing chops, who has no subtlety, and cranks out impossible patterns at 90mph, with no regard for musical expression. Oh, wait, yes there is, it's the guy with no chops, who drones on about his self-centered feelings in one song after another that sounds exactly the same.

Neither type of player is desirable. But, given the choice, I will say that the well-practiced guy can do what the other guy does, if the situation calls for it; whereas the other guy, just can't do much at all, except masturbate. No matter what the situation calls for, he will make it all sound the same, because that's all he can do.

Now if he has brilliant lyrics, he might be a Bob Dylan. Whereas the other guy just might someday be an Yngwie Malmsteen. It takes all types.

The point is to be well-centered, and have a big toolbox.

02-04-2008, 02:24 PM	#32
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	the guy that sang Ghostbusters is better than Steely Dan __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 02:32 PM	#33
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	Yeah, he's so good that his only hit was a rip-off of Huey Lewis that he got sued for. For those how aren't aware of this: Steely Dan isn't a "band" - it's two musician/arrangers who gathered together the greatest combination(s) of first-call studio players ever assembled, picking and choosing for each track who the line-up would be, down to bringing in dozens of guys in to track just the right guitar solo for any given song. If one were to have any interest in quality musicianship, this band should be an encyclopedia of technique. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-04-2008, 02:35 PM	#35
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	if liking steely dan is on your deal breaker list, then yes. we cannot. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 03:00 PM	#38
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	I didn't say it was an orchestral approach; but since you mention it, what, you don't like Dark Side of the Moon? For instance. There's never been any music that you liked that was planned out in any way? As far as you know, you've been duped hundreds of times by bands that try to appear "gritty" and spontaneous. I don't know enough about the White Stripes to have any thoughts about them. I think I heard that one song they did a while back, on the jukebox in a bar, or something. And, there was that one song on the opening credits to Napoleon Dynamite. As far as I know, you have the one dude playing blues chords while the chick he's doing does a Ringo impersonation, right? __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-04-2008, 04:43 PM	#40
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	UT: excuse me, fellas, I need to get past you here....I wet the bed again, and i dont want my piss sheets to get on you.....stand back just a bit if you would? thanks. __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 01:14 PM	#31
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	My favorite band: Steely Dan Favorite album from that band: Aja Favorite song on that album: Black Cow Luckily, non-sequitur day has ended.

02-04-2008, 02:33 PM	#34
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	You can't be our friend any more

02-04-2008, 02:39 PM	#36
Shawnee123 Why, you're a regular Alfred E Einstein, ain't ya? Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 21,206	Yep, Flint: Becker and Fagan. I did know that, but also got some good schooling about them from my ex, the piano player.

02-04-2008, 04:19 PM	#39
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	LJ: Hey aren't you that guy Picasso? That guy who paints? Picasso: Yes, I am he. LJ: Oh wow! I like paintings... you know my favorites? Those paintings of the little waif girls with the great big eyes. You know, the ones they used to have at motels? They're cute, but at the same time they're kind of sad, you know?

02-04-2008, 05:50 PM	#41
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	And, by the way, the reason you learn more technique is so you can be more expressive. If a musical situation calls for a certain thing, and you don't have that skill, then the expression suffers because you didn't do your homework. Do highly technical players tend to get that "polished" sound? Sometimes, but isn't that just the sound of them knowing what the fuck they're doing? Not that there isn't some quaint charm to listening to some sweaty dude play his three favorite riffs/only three riffs he knows, in every situation, but seriously, how many times do you need to hear him express that same old "feeling" - and it isn't that he doesn't have more nuanced emotions inside him, it's just that he doesn't have the technical skills necessary to express them. And he lashes out at more technical music in a "sour grapes" fashion. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

02-04-2008, 06:14 PM	#42
lumberjim I can hear my ears Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 25,571	or perhaps he has the skills, but sees that the message he's trying to convey has no need of them? or maybe he doesn't have need of that skill because he is able to express his feeling with his 3 riffs. why does it have to be sour grapes? maybe the super technical guy that knows all the chords and techniques is covering his lack of soul by barraging the listener with piles of intertwined tripe? dja ever think of that? huh, white boi? the more concerned you are with using all of your tricks and skills, the less concerned you can be with communicating the emotion in a piece of music. there are those 'sweaty guys' and 'polished guys' out there. i was just saying that i tend to like loud drums, and heavy bass, and powerful guitar. lyrics can be jibberish as long as the sound of the voice is good, and it fits with the song. that said, i DO like some intricate stuff....like Bach....etc....but USUALLY, given my druthers.....let's get the Led out! __________________ This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality Embrace this moment, remember We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion ~MJKeenan

02-04-2008, 06:20 PM	#43
Cicero Looking forward to open mic night. Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Mexico Posts: 5,148	[quote=Flint;429690]Yeah, he's so good that his only hit was a rip-off of Huey Lewis that he got sued for. QUOTE] American Psycho liked Huey Lewis, but Huey Lewis didn't like American Psycho........Imagine that, Huey Lewis saying that a movie soundtrack isn't good enough for them...after such hits as "I want a new drug"...... I guess they might be as sensitive as me...I don't want them to make a come-back either.... linky: http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/...ndtrack_recall (Proving once and for all that you can't be friends just because of similar music taste ) __________________ Show me a sane man, and I will cure him for you.- Carl Jung

02-04-2008, 07:21 PM	#44
warch lurkin old school Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,796	How can you say Led is not intricate? Pshaw. Dan does Dan very well. Led does Led. Its a matter of good creative choice. Like a great chef.

02-04-2008, 10:25 PM	#45
Flint Snowflake Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Dystopia Posts: 13,136	There's nothing worse than a guy with blazing chops, who has no subtlety, and cranks out impossible patterns at 90mph, with no regard for musical expression. Oh, wait, yes there is, it's the guy with no chops, who drones on about his self-centered feelings in one song after another that sounds exactly the same. Neither type of player is desirable. But, given the choice, I will say that the well-practiced guy can do what the other guy does, if the situation calls for it; whereas the other guy, just can't do much at all, except masturbate. No matter what the situation calls for, he will make it all sound the same, because that's all he can do. Now if he has brilliant lyrics, he might be a Bob Dylan. Whereas the other guy just might someday be an Yngwie Malmsteen. It takes all types. The point is to be well-centered, and have a big toolbox. __________________ **************** There's a level of facility that everyone needs to accomplish, and from there it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your expression. ... I found, like Joseph Campbell said, if you just follow whatever gives you a little joy or excitement or awe, then you're on the right track. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Terry Bozzio**

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