What's bumming your stone today? - Page 21

Lola Bunny · 10-09-2013, 11:25 PM

Frustration of a trapped person is huge and bottling it can really wear a person down. Although a person knows having a rage fit is wrong, he can't control it. But the cup has thrice overflown its limit, so steam sometimes come out in order for the person to stay sane.

limegreenc · 10-10-2013, 08:53 PM

Say what you mean. Mean what you say and perhaps the hardest- Don't be mean when you say it.

orthodoc · 12-18-2013, 09:49 PM

Nasty joint pain in fingers, knuckles, and elbows, sharp and lancinating followed by an ache like you just shut the car door on your hand ... ow. OW.

Arimidex does this 'severely' to 1 in 5 women who take it, and 'moderately' to another 1 in 5. I've been hoping to be one of the lucky other 3, but it seems my luck is doing its usual thing. (This is the reason I rarely buy lottery tickets. I'm the Primrose Everdeen of unlucky draws.) On the upside, I have very few hot flashes with Arimidex. I've actually felt chilly, even cold!! since being on it. And the blast furnace only flashes over once or twice a day.

I'll give it another week or two. I can always go back on tamoxifen if it gets too bad, but Arimidex is better at preventing recurrence.

glatt · 12-19-2013, 07:23 AM

Ouch. And you'd be taking this forever? Or just for a few months/years?

orthodoc · 12-19-2013, 09:51 AM

At least ten years. By then they'll probably have decided it has to be forever.

Either one is a nasty prospect over ten years. Tamoxifen doesn't work as well and raises my risk of blood clots, cataracts, and retinopathy (uncommon but as I say, I'm the Primrose Everdeen of side effects). Both cause hot flashes and joint pain, although for me the tamoxifen is crazy for hot flashes and the Arimidex looks bad for joint pain.* Arimidex contributes to osteoporosis; tamoxifen doesn't. Both may cause hair thinning/loss (oh, joy! - although that hasn't happened after 6 months of tamoxifen).

If I could reduce my risk of recurrence to a comparable degree using soy, I'd do it and take neither med. There are a couple of studies out of China suggesting that women with high soy intake get no further benefit from tamoxifen, but there are uncontrolled factors like previous diet and soy intake ... it's not clear that those results would translate to North American women.

*eta - 'looks bad' is an understatement - couldn't sleep last night, woke this morning feeling like I've been trampled by a horse. Now my shoulders, back, knees, and feet ache as well. Aleve in prescription doses doesn't touch it. I suspect the decision is being made for me - the question will be whether to continue tamoxifen with its various risks.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-28-2013, 02:15 AM

On the bright side, in 10 years it will probably be recalled and/or replaced with some kinder gentler substitute.

orthodoc · 12-28-2013, 11:23 PM

I hope that will be the case, Bruce.

xoxoxoBruce · 12-29-2013, 06:10 AM

At the rate they've been coming out with new drugs that do the same thing as several others already on the market, there's a pretty good chance.
I'd assume the odds of any replacement being more compatible with your personal chemistry should be 50%, buts that's just odds. Someone steeped in chemistry might think the odds don't apply to drugs.

orthodoc · 12-29-2013, 02:14 PM

Strangely, the joint pain issue is intermittent. It disappeared for several days, then came back for 48 hours a couple days ago. It's very nasty when it's present. Now I'll have to wait and see what sort of pattern it follows and whether it'll be infrequent enough to be worth staying on.

footfootfoot · 12-29-2013, 02:49 PM

Do joints ease your pain?

orthodoc · 12-29-2013, 06:30 PM

Hahaha I have no idea. Maybe I could make an argument for joints to help my joints.

fargon · 12-30-2013, 05:31 PM

I dropped my Seattle Space Needle ash tray (the one that I put my weed in) and it broke. WAAAAAH!

BigV · 12-31-2013, 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fargon

I dropped my Seattle Space Needle ash tray (the one that I put my weed in) and it broke. WAAAAAH!

Sadface

Lamplighter · 12-31-2013, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fargon

I dropped my Seattle Space Needle ash tray (the one that I put my weed in) and it broke. WAAAAAH!

By this time, so did most everyone that ever had one.

infinite monkey · 01-07-2014, 09:07 AM

Can I whine for a minute?

I'm so freaking tired of everything. I don't know to what I should attribute this feeling. Of course, with my diagnosis of major depressive disorder, it seems obvious. But I'm taking the medications.

I'm feeling useless because I'm not working. I'm not dealing with the loss of my mom, not very well, anyway. I can't stand myself. I can't stand being alone all the time (and at the same time I like 'alone' time.) I 'need' but I can't ask. It feels like everything is falling down around me. And just me. Yeah, I KNOW other people have problems. Not one of us is immune., and probably a lot of people feel the way I do. I know it could be so much worse. I know in my heart that I am not alone in these feelings. But I used to have moments of clarity. Moments when I liked myself, felt like I had something to offer.

I realize it's mostly the depression talking. It's only been a little over a week I lost my mom. Do you think spring will bring a renewal of hope?

I'm not suicidal. I want to live. I wouldn't hurt my family like that. But my gawd I wish I saw some sort of light ahead. I always have said that you never know what can happen, from day to day. But day after day goes by and I feel like nothing will ever change. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, seems like a giant chore.

Well, thanks for listening. Maybe it'll help just talking about it. More likely: I'll kick myself for putting myself out there like this.

10-10-2013, 08:53 PM	#302
limegreenc shed door curio Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Canada Posts: 406	Say what you mean. Mean what you say and perhaps the hardest- Don't be mean when you say it. __________________ “We should consider every day lost on which we have not danced at least once.” ― Friedrich Nietzsche

12-18-2013, 09:49 PM	#303
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Nasty joint pain in fingers, knuckles, and elbows, sharp and lancinating followed by an ache like you just shut the car door on your hand ... ow. OW. Arimidex does this 'severely' to 1 in 5 women who take it, and 'moderately' to another 1 in 5. I've been hoping to be one of the lucky other 3, but it seems my luck is doing its usual thing. (This is the reason I rarely buy lottery tickets. I'm the Primrose Everdeen of unlucky draws.) On the upside, I have very few hot flashes with Arimidex. I've actually felt chilly, even cold!! since being on it. And the blast furnace only flashes over once or twice a day. I'll give it another week or two. I can always go back on tamoxifen if it gets too bad, but Arimidex is better at preventing recurrence. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

12-19-2013, 09:51 AM	#305
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	At least ten years. By then they'll probably have decided it has to be forever. Either one is a nasty prospect over ten years. Tamoxifen doesn't work as well and raises my risk of blood clots, cataracts, and retinopathy (uncommon but as I say, I'm the Primrose Everdeen of side effects). Both cause hot flashes and joint pain, although for me the tamoxifen is crazy for hot flashes and the Arimidex looks bad for joint pain.* Arimidex contributes to osteoporosis; tamoxifen doesn't. Both may cause hair thinning/loss (oh, joy! - although that hasn't happened after 6 months of tamoxifen). If I could reduce my risk of recurrence to a comparable degree using soy, I'd do it and take neither med. There are a couple of studies out of China suggesting that women with high soy intake get no further benefit from tamoxifen, but there are uncontrolled factors like previous diet and soy intake ... it's not clear that those results would translate to North American women. *eta - 'looks bad' is an understatement - couldn't sleep last night, woke this morning feeling like I've been trampled by a horse. Now my shoulders, back, knees, and feet ache as well. Aleve in prescription doses doesn't touch it. I suspect the decision is being made for me - the question will be whether to continue tamoxifen with its various risks. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

12-28-2013, 02:15 AM	#306
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	On the bright side, in 10 years it will probably be recalled and/or replaced with some kinder gentler substitute. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-28-2013, 11:23 PM	#307
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	I hope that will be the case, Bruce. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

10-09-2013, 11:25 PM	#301
Lola Bunny Junior Master Dwellar Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 2,728	Frustration of a trapped person is huge and bottling it can really wear a person down. Although a person knows having a rage fit is wrong, he can't control it. But the cup has thrice overflown its limit, so steam sometimes come out in order for the person to stay sane.

12-19-2013, 07:23 AM	#304
glatt ™ Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 27,717	Ouch. And you'd be taking this forever? Or just for a few months/years?

12-29-2013, 06:10 AM	#308
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	At the rate they've been coming out with new drugs that do the same thing as several others already on the market, there's a pretty good chance. I'd assume the odds of any replacement being more compatible with your personal chemistry should be 50%, buts that's just odds. Someone steeped in chemistry might think the odds don't apply to drugs. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

12-29-2013, 02:14 PM	#309
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Strangely, the joint pain issue is intermittent. It disappeared for several days, then came back for 48 hours a couple days ago. It's very nasty when it's present. Now I'll have to wait and see what sort of pattern it follows and whether it'll be infrequent enough to be worth staying on. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

12-29-2013, 02:49 PM	#310
footfootfoot To shreds, you say? Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: in the house and on the street-how many, many feet we meet! Posts: 18,449	Do joints ease your pain? __________________ The internet is a hateful stew of vomit you can never take completely seriously. - Her Fobs

12-29-2013, 06:30 PM	#311
orthodoc Not Suspicious, Merely Canadian Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 3,774	Hahaha I have no idea. Maybe I could make an argument for joints to help my joints. __________________ The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. - Ghandi

12-30-2013, 05:31 PM	#312
fargon Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: La Crosse, WI Posts: 8,924	I dropped my Seattle Space Needle ash tray (the one that I put my weed in) and it broke. WAAAAAH! __________________ Annoy the ones that ignore you!!! I live a blessed life I Love my Country, I Fear the Government!!! Heavily medicated for the good of mankind.

01-07-2014, 09:07 AM	#315
infinite monkey Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 13,002	Can I whine for a minute? I'm so freaking tired of everything. I don't know to what I should attribute this feeling. Of course, with my diagnosis of major depressive disorder, it seems obvious. But I'm taking the medications. I'm feeling useless because I'm not working. I'm not dealing with the loss of my mom, not very well, anyway. I can't stand myself. I can't stand being alone all the time (and at the same time I like 'alone' time.) I 'need' but I can't ask. It feels like everything is falling down around me. And just me. Yeah, I KNOW other people have problems. Not one of us is immune., and probably a lot of people feel the way I do. I know it could be so much worse. I know in my heart that I am not alone in these feelings. But I used to have moments of clarity. Moments when I liked myself, felt like I had something to offer. I realize it's mostly the depression talking. It's only been a little over a week I lost my mom. Do you think spring will bring a renewal of hope? I'm not suicidal. I want to live. I wouldn't hurt my family like that. But my gawd I wish I saw some sort of light ahead. I always have said that you never know what can happen, from day to day. But day after day goes by and I feel like nothing will ever change. Everything, I mean EVERYTHING, seems like a giant chore. Well, thanks for listening. Maybe it'll help just talking about it. More likely: I'll kick myself for putting myself out there like this.

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