Which party?

[Griff]

The Tea Party folks seem to embody that right libertarian or fascist libertarian viewpoint. Ironically, for people calling themselves libertarian, they are pretty heavy on theocracy and pretty into government enforced morality.

Still looking for a Party...

[Clodfobble]

There's always the Canary Party, Griff. More of a lobby group, but at least it has the word Party in it!

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by Griff

The Tea Party folks seem to embody that right libertarian or fascist libertarian viewpoint. Ironically, for people calling themselves libertarian, they are pretty heavy on theocracy and pretty into government enforced morality.

Still looking for a Party...

Fascist is not Right. Fascist is Left. However much the Left claims Fascist is Right, that doesn't make it so. Left is Big Government, Fascist is Big Government. Left implicitly believes in subsuming the Individual to the State, Fascist the very same, and most examples explicitly at that. Communists (the left wing) may be brainwash-converted to Fascism (as the right wing) and then back, in a span of a few months. And act just the same either condition.

So, you know the next guy who tries to tell you a right-libertarian is a fascist-libertarian, you know he's a liar, a son of a bitch and grandchild of two more, and not to be trusted with custody of a dime. He's battening on your ignorance, and you ought never to give him something to batten on.

[Griff]

As Plato showed all ideas we have are just shadows of reality. This presents real difficulty when we realize that our language is imperfect. I have a one-time libertarian friend who fell into the Tea Party warren. He is comfortable there because of his extreme right wing position in the RC Church. What he doesn't get is that his religiosity is intolerant of others beliefs. It is also clear to me that if the partiers had their way, they'd likely turn on the Catholics in their midst first.

Right now, the progressive left seem to be the only people standing up to corporatism in defense of individuals. This is an unnatural stance for leftists but when libertarians fail to defend the individual from the state sponsored groups (corporations) and government over-reach like common core we are in uncharted territory.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Urbane Guerrilla

Fascist is not Right. Fascist is Left. However much the Left claims Fascist is Right, that doesn't make it so.

To recruit the naive into extremism, extremist leaders classify everythng in terms of left and right. No left and right exists except in rhetoric. Only extremists and moderates exist. But if that reality is learned, then extremists lose power that recruits the naive and emotional. 'Them' verses 'us'. 'Good' verses 'evil'. 'Black man' verses 'white man'. 'Evil criminal' veses 'god's choosen gun owner'. This rhetoric successfully recruits extremists. Extremists know immediately; need not first learn facts, numbers, and the lessons from history.

Extremists know truth because sound bytes (evil big government, hate justified by personal rights, socialism is same as communism, evil unions, evil jihadists who ironically are brainwashed like evangelicals, etc) prove it. Other libertarians actually see things in terms or number, reasons why, and other concepts only found among the educated. But the more easily brainwashed know libertarian concepts because sound bytes and Rush Limbaught have told them what to believe.

Bottom line returns to one common factor. Extremists are told what to think by their political handlers. What is left may now be right. Then wait to be told details that justify that conclusion. Moderates first learn facts and numbers before making a conclusion.

Griff examples a brainwashed religious extremist. Does he first learn that pedophilia was openly protected by that church? Of the contempt that institution has for women as second class citizens and inferior clerics? In extremist rhetoric, one ignores such 'smoking guns' or recites rhetoric to defuse reality.

Easily recruited extremists are adults who think like children. They 'feel' it is true which proves it is true. Feeling alone is sufficient to know. Thinking through a concept using something more than a soundbyte is unnecessary. Extremists have a conclusion. Then look for facts to justify it.

Feeling does not come from the part of a brain that adults think with. That takes control after the age of 16. Adults learn facts BEFORE obtaining a conclusion. Adults learn that feelings prove nothing. One must think like an adult to become a moderate.

For example, do you plug your computer into a surge protector power strip? Then extremist rhetoric has successfully recruited you. Did you first learn what that power strip does? Or ignore its numbers to blindly know that protector and protection sound alike; therefore must be same? Recruiting one into extremism is that easy.

A power strip protector adjacent to a computer does not protect from destructive surges, can compromise existing protection inside that computer, and sometimes creates house fires. Did you learn these concepts as a moderate? Or just blindly believe extremists rhetoric that feels any protector must be protection? A moderate first learns these layman simple facts. An extremist recommends that protector only because rhetoric (directed only at feelings of a child) is sufficient to prove it necessary.

A moderate would first learn facts that demonstrate why that Monster product is best called a scam.

Why do so many kids take up smoking? Without an operational pre-frontal cortex, children know smoking is good only because they feel. Thinking logically like an adult is not yet possible. Unfortunately, many adults still think like children creating a mass who can easliy be manipulated using 'left verses right' stupidity.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Tw, dear boy, long experience of you has taught me not to take you seriously in Politics. Now if you take you seriously here, then I think less of your thinking than I just had. Elaborated pseudosophistication doesn't cut much ice with me.

[tw]

Extremism is alive and well.

[Urbane Guerrilla]

And you have it, and in spades. I know it, Undertoad knows it, Griff knows it, everybody knows it or can find it out. Don't try to kid anyone other than yourself. You do seem unable to stop doing that. Yes, I believe you are a crank. For the etymology of this usage, look up the German krank.

[infinite monkey]

Blowhardiness is alive and well, too, apparently.

[tw]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Blowhardiness is alive and well, too, apparently.

Do you believe in the White Whale?

Is there a Party for that?

[infinite monkey]

My whale wants to party all the time, party all the time, party all the ti-ime.

[Griff]

Once again it all comes back to Whale Penis. Can a church be a party?

[Urbane Guerrilla]

Originally Posted by infinite monkey

Blowhardiness is alive and well, too, apparently.

I have good breath control and deliver the proper flow; not too hard, not too soft. But, inasmuch as I am on the smart side of things, I do it heartily. The pretentions of the Left are valuable only to the shallow, unrespectable thinker. I know them for the Fascist toxins they are, and advise you to reject them wholly also, that you may prosper the better, on the libertarian side.