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Old 09-14-2018, 10:19 AM   #16
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It hits as Cat 1. Well, this won't affect NOAA's math.

But this doesn't actually prove anything, and is now a retarded game of appealing to everyone's observational bias, as is pretty much the entire debate.

In this case, I sided with NOAA and the IPCC and y'all took issue with them. It's all good, I've taken issue with them before. But is that not science denial, when we do that?
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Old 09-14-2018, 11:42 AM   #17
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In this case, I sided with NOAA and the IPCC and y'all took issue with them.
Who's "y'all" here? gvidas asked whether the category of the storm was referenced in the paper, and I answered that it was. None of the other posts after yours referenced it at all.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:33 PM   #18
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I saw it like this, I could be wrong

Me: NOAA surveying IPCC and others says warming hasn't been a hurricane factor

You two: This one study says it is a big time factor on this one tho

*shrug* it's fine
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Old 09-14-2018, 01:08 PM   #19
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You: How does the lowering of the storm classification affect the Stony Brook study?
Gdivas: Storm classification is wind speed, doesn't the Stony Brook study talk about rainfall?
Me: Stony brook study mentions storm classification in its opening paragraph, and two of its graphs are wind-speed-related.
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Old 09-14-2018, 02:37 PM   #20
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Inspired by tw's original post...
That's the scariest thing I've read this year!

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Old 09-14-2018, 03:11 PM   #21
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Florence probably will not be the coastal disaster it could have been. Apparently a large body of warm water off the SC / NC coasts on the first week of September was no longer as warm. So Florence weakened.

Wave heights on serious storms (ie Frying Pan Shoals) was 30 feet. Except for some 20 something waves far north on Frying Pan Shoals, waves across the region (and even near the eye) have been 15 feet or less.

Expect coastal damage to not have been as severe as originally feared. And residents will mock those warnings; ignore future ones.

Frying Pan Light tower had long since been abandoned due to maintenance deficiencies (over a decade ago) and with no future purpose.

Next learn how much rain really does fall and how many SC towns could not be bothered to let good engineering practice occur in their infrastructure.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:40 PM   #22
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As a matter of fact Frying Pan Tower is for sale, $25,000 per share.
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:50 AM   #23
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As a matter of fact Frying Pan Tower is for sale, $25,000 per share.
Why would anyone spend $25,000 for the right to spend massively more disassembling that tower?

Six of those towers were built in the 1960s. Two were struck by ships. The one outside Savannah was struck so massively by a container ship as to be completely destroyed. Ambrose tower (entrance to NYC) was struck by a ship. Replaced. Then struck as least twice more before it was finally removed. Spend $25,000 for the right to own that risk.

US Navy are not the only mariners that ignore where they are going.

How much to buy into obligations for Diamond Shoals Tower? Then you too can be a first one to view 30 foot hurricane waves before they break on beachfront houses.
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Old 09-15-2018, 05:41 PM   #24
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I don't care what you say. It is still raining and I am sick of it. I went out and cleaned debris from the culvert under the drive. Other than that I am in the house with the dog and cats. I'm fixing to kill my sorrows with a cup of noodles and hot sauce.
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Old 09-15-2018, 10:24 PM   #25
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Here is a full alphabet of names for them. I wouldn't be sorry if any of these got retired. Just so long as they're retired for humans too

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Old 09-16-2018, 04:15 PM   #26
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...and how many SC towns could not be bothered to let good engineering practice occur in their infrastructure.
Well, not all towns are laid out and planned.
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Old 09-16-2018, 05:27 PM   #27
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Hurricanes should be given rapper names.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:29 PM   #28
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Well, not all towns are laid out and planned.
Exactly the point. So massive damage, identified by human mistakes, will now create the serious damage.

Pennsylvania required retention basins. What well understood engineering was finally appreciated even by the naive. Does NC have that always required planning?

SC apparently got off easy. Only serious flooding may have already been on the Santee River. Nothing is exceeding flood stage.

NC will probably have most problems from west of Charlotte downriver to Cape Fear. All along the state's south side. NC got off easy. Worst rivers apparently are rising only to just above flood stage.

First Charlotte gets harmed by wacko extremist Trump supporters. Next year, the weather. In both cases, it could have been much worse.
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Old 09-16-2018, 07:59 PM   #29
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Good thing the rivers only crested or there would be more than the 170 closed roads. Including 2 interstates.
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Old 09-16-2018, 09:08 PM   #30
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... or there would be more than the 170 closed roads. Including 2 interstates.
Rivers only achieved (some have not gotten to) flood stage. These rivers are no where near what was feared. As noted earlier, we will now see where humans failed to do their job.

Rivers at or even just about flood stage should close no interstate. Defective engineering directly traceable to humans. Why are so many roads closed for rivers not even at flood stage?

Cape Fear river (downriver) - not yet at flood stage.
Cape Fear river (partly upriver) - ten feet above flood stage.
Cape Fear river (most upriver) - below flood stage.
Rockfish Creek (above Cape Fear river) - four feet below flood stage.
Flat Creek - only 5 feet above flood stage.
Pee Dee Creek - below flood stage.
Black River - only 5 feet above flood stage.
Little River - 1 foot above flood stage.
Lumber River (downriver) - not yet at flood stage.
Lumber River (upriver) - well below flood stage.
McAlpine Creek - at flood stage.
Little Hope Creek - below flood stage.
Long Creek - at flood stage.
Deep River - 2 feet above flood stage.
Rocky River - at flood stage.

Above are among the most flooded rivers in southern NC. All this is only minor flooding. Not the major disaster that was feared. And no where near flooding seen during Hurricane Matthew.

Anything at or below flood stage means no serious problems should exist. An America that is investing in itself rather than giving tax cuts to the rich should be fixing those 130 flooded roads and defectively built interstates.

NC and SC dodged a bullet.

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