Please stop blowing us up....

Cyclefrance · 08-24-2007, 10:22 AM

Another friendly fire accidental bombing - I know it happens, we've discussed it pretty thoroughly already, but it's still a very bitter pill to swallow, and it seems that nothing has been learned from earlier incidents.

yesman065 · 08-24-2007, 12:01 PM

"Shit happens" in every facet of the world - and in a war when shit happens people die. There is no perfect scenario.

The article also stated:

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Taliban insurgents in the east and south of the country have stepped up their attacks on Afghan and coalition forces over the last 18 months, seeking to overthrow the Western-backed government installed in 2001 after the ouster of the Taliban.

On Thursday, Afghan forces killed three insurgents, two of whom were Islamic militants from Chechnya, during a one-hour gunbattle in southern Zabul province, said local government head Fazal Bari. He gave no more details.

Meanwhile, U.S.-led coalition troops shot dead a suspected militant and detained 11 other people during a raid in eastern Afghanistan, the coalition said in a statement.

Griff · 08-24-2007, 12:07 PM

Sorry man. There is no smart ordinance.

Undertoad · 08-24-2007, 12:15 PM

*AHEM* We are happy to provide air support, but it's very simple... when you ask for it, you must give us the coordinates of the enemy, not the coordinates where you are.

yesman065 · 08-24-2007, 12:42 PM

must be the accent that confused 'em

DanaC · 08-24-2007, 05:16 PM

Well, it's difficult to give co ordinates with a mouthful of hot sweet tea.

Cyclefrance · 08-25-2007, 03:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Undertoad

*AHEM* We are happy to provide air support, but it's very simple... when you ask for it, you must give us the coordinates of the enemy, not the coordinates where you are.

If this is the case, then god help us that procedures are so out of sync. What chance for safety is there if one side gives its own co-ordinates on the basis that this communicates the position that shouldn't be attacked while the other understands this to be the position that should be attacked?

Hopefully there is a more acceptable reason.

Bullitt · 08-25-2007, 03:57 AM

Close air support is a bitch. A friend of mine from high school is a jet fighter mechanic currently in Iraq and consequently has a close relationship with the pilots. They tell him time and again that they have a love/hate relationship with close air support calls because the margin of error when dropping bombs or doing strafing runs when friendlies are danger close is basically zero, but they do get the satisfaction that they are seriously saving someone's ass out there. Expecting a perfect record is a pipe dream.

xoxoxoBruce · 08-25-2007, 04:02 AM

That's why we need to start building Warthogs again. Fighter planes are just too fast and too fragile for real close air support.

TheMercenary · 08-25-2007, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

That's why we need to start building Warthogs again. Fighter planes are just too fast and too fragile for real close air support.

The absolutely best plane ever built IMHO. I have seen them in action and I promise, you do not want to be on the receiving end of one. They are one of the few airframes that can take a real beating in the air and limp home intact.

Ibby · 08-25-2007, 05:19 AM

Did you know that the warthog's vulcan gun puts out recoil almost exactly equal to one of its engines?

TheMercenary · 08-25-2007, 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibram

Did you know that the warthog's vulcan gun puts out recoil almost exactly equal to one of its engines?

I have read that the recoil actually slows airspeed a bit. That must be why.

08-24-2007, 10:22 AM	#1
Cyclefrance Pump my ride! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Deep countryside of Surrey , England Posts: 1,890	Please stop blowing us up.... Another friendly fire accidental bombing - I know it happens, we've discussed it pretty thoroughly already, but it's still a very bitter pill to swallow, and it seems that nothing has been learned from earlier incidents. __________________ Always sufficient hills - never sufficient gears

08-24-2007, 12:07 PM	#3
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Sorry man. There is no smart ordinance. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

08-25-2007, 03:57 AM	#8
Bullitt This is a fully functional babe lair Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Akron, OH Posts: 2,324	Close air support is a bitch. A friend of mine from high school is a jet fighter mechanic currently in Iraq and consequently has a close relationship with the pilots. They tell him time and again that they have a love/hate relationship with close air support calls because the margin of error when dropping bombs or doing strafing runs when friendlies are danger close is basically zero, but they do get the satisfaction that they are seriously saving someone's ass out there. Expecting a perfect record is a pipe dream. __________________ Kiss my white Irish ass.

08-25-2007, 04:02 AM	#9
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	That's why we need to start building Warthogs again. Fighter planes are just too fast and too fragile for real close air support. __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

08-25-2007, 05:19 AM	#11
Ibby erika Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: "the high up north" Posts: 6,127	Did you know that the warthog's vulcan gun puts out recoil almost exactly equal to one of its engines? __________________ not really back, you didn't see me, i was never here shhhhhh

08-24-2007, 12:15 PM	#4
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	AHEM We are happy to provide air support, but it's very simple... when you ask for it, you must give us the coordinates of the enemy, not the coordinates where you are.

08-24-2007, 12:42 PM	#5
yesman065 Banned - Self Imposed Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,847	must be the accent that confused 'em

08-24-2007, 05:16 PM	#6
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	Well, it's difficult to give co ordinates with a mouthful of hot sweet tea.

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