Evolutionary Science-v- Creationism - Page 37

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2009, 01:54 PM

He'd probably go with "kinds" and macroevolution vs microevolution, like OnyxCougar. Or just say, "God did it."

Another amusing part of his misconception is the idea that it is the female that is unexplained by evolution. I mean, it is theoretically possible for females to self-clone, so even if evolutionaty theory worked the way Comfort claims, it should be the male that is unexplained.

DanaC · 03-10-2009, 01:58 PM

I may be wrong, my biology is a tad shaky, but don't fetuses start out female and then some develop into males ?

DanaC · 03-10-2009, 01:59 PM

I'd also find his explanation for mitochondrial (sp) DNA interesting...

Undertoad · 03-10-2009, 02:22 PM

The zygote/fetus is male or female from the start due to presence of XX female or XY male chromosome.

Sundae · 03-10-2009, 02:33 PM

Ah - must be a British educational issue, because although I learned that the sperm determines the sex of the foetus, I also learned all foetuses are essentially female. Explaining the nipples in a male (cat as well as human, as I know from Diz) and the clitoris inc hood (NOT known from Diz) which becomes the penis in the male.

I haven't googled it because I don't want to pretend to knowledge I don't have. But if someone could match up these two opposite strands of knowledge I'd be grateful.

Happy Monkey · 03-10-2009, 02:52 PM

I've heard that, too. Female-like physiology comes first, which develops differently for males. But for humans (all mammals), it actually "is" male or female based on genetics.

Some reptiles have the gender based on incubation temperature rather than genetics, though. I don't know if they also have the physiological female-to-male effect.

Sundae · 03-10-2009, 04:31 PM

Ahhh, 'splains it, thanks. Female develops first, but can become male after.

Poor Diz cat - he occasionally gets static shocks from his otherwise redundant nipples when I stroke him. And some to the nose too. Must be my parents' choice of carpet!

Then again, his claws rip my skin when he is supposedly just playing... Frequently! Sod it, a few shocks to the nips don't count between friends. (Gitmo excepted).

Re male & female, I was shocked to learn it was the sperm that made the difference. Because even at a Catholic school we learned Henry VIII did what he did (divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived) because no woman could bear him a son. Oh, well, Jane, but she died and so did her son it doesn't count, okay?

morethanpretty · 03-10-2009, 09:58 PM

That is why he did it SG. He just didn't know it was his own damn fault, women tended to have the blame heaped on them for any procreation issue: infertility, sex of child, deformities, ect.

03-10-2009, 01:54 PM	#541
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	He'd probably go with "kinds" and macroevolution vs microevolution, like OnyxCougar. Or just say, "God did it." Another amusing part of his misconception is the idea that it is the female that is unexplained by evolution. I mean, it is theoretically possible for females to self-clone, so even if evolutionaty theory worked the way Comfort claims, it should be the male that is unexplained. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-10-2009, 02:33 PM	#545
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Ah - must be a British educational issue, because although I learned that the sperm determines the sex of the foetus, I also learned all foetuses are essentially female. Explaining the nipples in a male (cat as well as human, as I know from Diz) and the clitoris inc hood (NOT known from Diz) which becomes the penis in the male. I haven't googled it because I don't want to pretend to knowledge I don't have. But if someone could match up these two opposite strands of knowledge I'd be grateful. __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-10-2009, 02:52 PM	#546
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	I've heard that, too. Female-like physiology comes first, which develops differently for males. But for humans (all mammals), it actually "is" male or female based on genetics. Some reptiles have the gender based on incubation temperature rather than genetics, though. I don't know if they also have the physiological female-to-male effect. __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

03-10-2009, 04:31 PM	#547
Sundae polaroid of perfection Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: West Yorkshire Posts: 24,185	Ahhh, 'splains it, thanks. Female develops first, but can become male after. Poor Diz cat - he occasionally gets static shocks from his otherwise redundant nipples when I stroke him. And some to the nose too. Must be my parents' choice of carpet! Then again, his claws rip my skin when he is supposedly just playing... Frequently! Sod it, a few shocks to the nips don't count between friends. (Gitmo excepted). Re male & female, I was shocked to learn it was the sperm that made the difference. Because even at a Catholic school we learned Henry VIII did what he did (divorced, beheaded, died, divorced, beheaded, survived) because no woman could bear him a son. Oh, well, Jane, but she died and so did her son it doesn't count, okay? __________________ Life's hard you know, so strike a pose on a Cadillac

03-10-2009, 09:58 PM	#548
morethanpretty Thats "Miss Zipper Neck" to you. Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: little town (but not the littlest) in texas Posts: 2,957	That is why he did it SG. He just didn't know it was his own damn fault, women tended to have the blame heaped on them for any procreation issue: infertility, sex of child, deformities, ect. __________________ Addicts may suck dick for coke, but love came up with the idea to put a dick in there to begin with. -Jack O'Brien

03-10-2009, 01:58 PM	#542
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I may be wrong, my biology is a tad shaky, but don't fetuses start out female and then some develop into males ?

03-10-2009, 01:59 PM	#543
DanaC We have to go back, Kate! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Yorkshire Posts: 25,964	I'd also find his explanation for mitochondrial (sp) DNA interesting...

03-10-2009, 02:22 PM	#544
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	The zygote/fetus is male or female from the start due to presence of XX female or XY male chromosome.

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