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Old 10-06-2019, 11:33 AM   #16
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UT won't dump tw: he's a caution (and a card)
UT doesn't dump anyone but spammers and people who request it.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:48 PM   #17
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UT doesn't dump anyone but spammers and people who request it.
So constantly posting lies and personal attacks (that gives the Cellar a distasteful reputation) is acceptable behavior? In earlier decades, such constant behavior was never seen.
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Old 10-06-2019, 03:12 PM   #18
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It helps keep out the uppity intelligentsia, purveyors of theoretical learning who haven't been well grounded in reality lately, and propagandists. Obviously, it isn't 100% effective.
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Old 10-06-2019, 09:14 PM   #19
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Yeah, those uppity intelligentsia talk like Ludwig van Beethoven is a buddy when they've never even seen his paintings.
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Old 10-09-2019, 09:10 PM   #20
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Not only has The Don praised dictators. He is trying to surrender to the Taliban. And now threw another strong American ally, the Kurds, to the wolves.

Assad got more chemical weapons and used them. So the scumbag president spend $10s of millions on cruise missiles to take out some obsolete airplanes. And left (what was rumored to be tens of metric tones of chemical weapons) intact. Extremists praised him. It fed the only thing relevant to him - his ego.

Meanwhile, Kim is now testing missiles to attack all major Japanese and S Korean cities. The Don said it is good - even through the entire world said otherwise. Of course. That is their problem, says The Don. He has no towers there to protect.

So he threw both Japan and S Korea under the bus.

Today, even Israel strongly condemned what the shit head did to the Kurds. For reasons clearly stated by Israelis. If he does this to strong American allies while praising dictators, then what will happen even to Israel?

Dictators know how to get what they want from him. Fed his ego. Quid Pro Quo also works. No wonder The Don does not have one single accomplishment - other than starting a recession.

What turned a great recession into a great depression? Hoover did massive harm to economic activity by imposing more tariffs. 40% of Americans are told all that is good. So they love him. And praise him. use (abuse) the Presidency for more ego boosting.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:21 AM   #21
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The Turks have started attacking the Kurds today. Some 180 aircraft attacks have hit Kurd cities and positions. A massive refugee movement is now ongoing in Kurd cities.

This is all good according to a wacko extremist president (who was once a liberal until he discovered right wingers are more easily manipulated). Right wingers approve of this massacre intentionally created by The Don. For the same reason why he loves to undermine so many American allies in the Eastern Pacific. Even mocks and disparages our NATO allies.

The scumbag Don said we will destroy the Turk economy if they do not do what he wants. So the Turks have started attacking the Kurds. Apparently that is what he wanted.

A philandering president loves to wreck shit. Since that makes him popular even among the KKK, White Supremacists, and Nazis. He was encouraged by a dictator to enable this massacre. Then his knee jerk thought process decided it was good. No problem. It does not hurt his properties or his ego. So it must be good.

Kim, Xi, and Putin also know how to play this idiot that only a fool would have voted for.

Same president tried to sell out Ukraine to his good friend Putin. He could not find anyone who would properly represent American interests in Ukraine. Nobody will work in Ukraine to promote his wealth and ego. So no ambassador has existed for 6 months. She was fired because Giuliani complained she refused to to do things illegal - to promote The Don's interests at the expense of America and Ukraine.

If his penis is inside some other woman, does that mean it cannot think for him? Then he will not screw America?
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Old 10-10-2019, 04:59 PM   #22
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The Turks have started attacking the Kurds today. Some 180 aircraft attacks have hit Kurd cities and positions. A massive refugee movement is now ongoing in Kurd cities.

This is all good according to a wacko extremist president (who was once a liberal until he discovered right wingers are more easily manipulated). Right wingers approve of this massacre intentionally created by The Don. For the same reason why he loves to undermine so many American allies in the Eastern Pacific. Even mocks and disparages our NATO allies.

The scumbag Don said we will destroy the Turk economy if they do not do what he wants. So the Turks have started attacking the Kurds. Apparently that is what he wanted.
The Don is just doing what you said you wanted. You wanted to leave it up to them:

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… Middle East is first and foremost a problem that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, and the Gulf States should be addressing. They - not the US - should have defined what is necessary and implement resulting plans. Otherwise we have another reduction in US living standards because extremists again want America to be the world's policemen. ...
Now the Don says - Make it so.
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Old 10-10-2019, 08:05 PM   #23
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tw = hypocrite

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Old 10-14-2019, 05:43 PM   #24
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The most knowledgeable analysis I've seen of it has it that the Kurds are no sort of monolith, but there are approximately four major factions, with about three of the Kurdish factions at odds with a fourth. This fourth faction, with which the US is not in a friendly relationship owing to them being a pack of Communists, is the faction the Turks say they are assaulting, and that they're terrorists.

Meanwhile, the US is friendlier with the other three Kurdish factions; we're more supportive of Iraqi Kurds, then other Kurds, in Syria, in a descending order.

But of course, tw's prejudiced existence prevents such knowledge from ever illuminating his dark recesses. 3-plus percent economic growth for quarter after quarter after quarter and the lowest unemployment rates in sixty solid years across each and every known demographic, and positions now so abundant that employers are struggling to fill them -- there are help-wanted signs up all over my town -- all this in two years, that's utterly foolish, hm?
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Old 10-15-2019, 08:57 AM   #25
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As usual, extremists post insults. And now lie about what tw has said. But that is what Nazis also did to gain power and commit genocide.

The scumbag (that Nazis, KKK, and White Supremacists love) decided to withdrawal 150 American troops so that Turkey can occupy northern Syria. Leaders know how to manipulate The Don. They praise his ego. Then Erdoğan told The Donald that he would repopulate N Syria with Syrian refugees in his country. So Americans can leave.

Without consulting even one informed American, The Don then created another massive American defeat.

Obvious was Erdoğan's strategy. He regards all Kurds as terrorists - evil like Daesh. As soon as a few hundreds Americans left, he attacked the Kurds everywhere. Cutting off Kurd main supply highways across Kurd protected regions in Syria.

He then 'accidentally' fired artillery shells about 100 meters from a known American base. So that 1000 more American soldiers (working with the Kurds) would leave immediately. Would abandon their Kurdish allies.

The Don is so dumb to even give Putin but another victory. Russian reputation for being a trusted ally in the Middle East has massively increased in the past three years. The Kurds need protection. The Kurds (like all other close American allies) now know Americans are scumbags who promise protection and then run away. Our wacko extremists here love that behavior. That is the new American reputation - approved by the Cellar wackos.

Kurds went to people who would keep their promises - the Russians. Syrian troops are now moving in on the Kurds. Only protection left for the Kurds - once a closest American ally - were clearly stabbed in the back by an American egotist and his wacko extremists supporters in the Cellar. (People who insult to avoid admitting to a another massive American defeat.) Trump has created another massive American defeat (similar to what Cheney, et al did in Afghanistan and in the Mission Accomplished war).

Wacko extremists in The Cellar praise The Don for also releasing some 11,000 ISIS soldiers and allies. Daesh terrorist attacks are ongoing. Extremist here say that is also good.

Of the so many interests active in Syria, only American allies are the losers. As Americans pull out, Russians and their allies move in to fill another American created vacuum. The Don (and his wacko extremist supporters in The Cellar) apparently love it when America is defeated. And then, like good right wing extremists, spin it into a victory. They are so extremists as to believe this massive American defeat is good. It is so easy to brainwash extremists.
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Old 10-15-2019, 09:26 AM   #26
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yer right, tw

"How dare he actually deliver on his promise not to have anymore of our precious warriors shipped home in boxes after getting killed on battlefields we canít even pronounce, while refereeing conflicts that began long before America was a thing, in campaigns without any kind of coherent objective?"

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Old 10-16-2019, 08:54 AM   #27
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How fast did Americans surrender and run from Syria? Russians now report abandoned American based with tents still standing, refrigerators still stocked with food, and some plates with half eaten meals.

That is how quickly this president ordered American soldiers to abandon the Kurds and run away.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of themselves in abandoned American tents where the Americans ran away only hours earlier. 40% of Americans still approve of the scumbag president - whose only purpose is to entertain his ego and enrich himself.

He even told Kim that it is OK to develop missiles that can attack S Korean and Japanese cities. When Japan's Prime Minister Abe confronted The Don with this American surrender, The Don dismissed him as irrelevant. Nice way to treat (mock, insult) a closest American ally. Since The Donald likes dictators like Kim, Xi, and Putin. They inflate his ego.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:36 AM   #28
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This was addressed in the debate last night. Tulsi was more for just getting out because these regime change wars are and have been a poorly conceived nightmare. Mayor Pete was more nuanced, he recognized that the origins of these wars is dubious but our abandonment of allies is utterly destructive of America's place in the world and pretty horrifying on the ground. So yeah, we need to get out but let's not make the world much worse place by doing it badly.
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Old 10-16-2019, 01:43 PM   #29
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Middle East is first and foremost a problem that Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Egypt, Israel, and the Gulf States should be addressing. They - not the US - should have defined what is necessary and implement resulting plans. Otherwise we have another reduction in US living standards because extremists again want America to be the world's policemen.
i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:57 PM   #30
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i just happened to be watching the television just now and orange man echoed these points exactly
Never forget why we are so fully involved. Liars. Liars said Saddam had WMDs. So we surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Then wasted $3 trillion and 5000 American servicemen lives on that Mission Accomplished lie. So many American civilians failed to learn what were obvious lies. And so endorsed the resulting massacre.

Simply return to 2003 to read posts warning of this both before and after 'Shock and Awe' - which BTW did nothing. We have no choice. We decided to waste the American economy on lies promoted by wacko extremists. And are today still paying to China massive sums on the interest for all that borrowed money.

Simply go back to 2003 to read quotes of what Cheney said. "Deficits don't matter." He forgot to mention that American servicemen also do not matter.

Deja Vue Vietnam. We did the same thing there. And eventually surrendered to N Vietnam. We now see Americans surrendering to everyone else in Syria. While granting success after success to the Russians and The Don's good friend Putin. A another example of why extremists (using their political biases) create disasters. And why we desperately need leaders who are patriots - also called moderates.

Yesterday, Trump was having a meltdown that even embarrassed Republicans were critical of. He called the Kurds evil and communists. He said they were never an ally. His insulted Pelois and other Democrats with insults that need not be quoted due to his flagrant vulgarity (as if grabbing any women's groin is acceptable behavior - he said so).

Even the extremist John Bolton is openly criticizing this corrupt administration.

Meanwhile, Trump will hold the next G-7 meeting at his resort. He says it will be done at cost. And calls it all acceptable behavior - as any mafia Don would do. That 'at cost' includes his personal profits. And more profits when he does what he has always done. Withhold payments from contractors.

Russian soldiers are tweeting pictures of The Don's victory. Showing American bases, fully stocked even with food, abandoned only hours earlier by a defeated American Army. Defeated by a mental instability that is so common with wacko extremists and egotists.

Last Wednesday, The Don sent a letter to Erdoğan scolding him in no uncertain terms to not massacre Kurds. And threatening to destroy the Turk economy if they did anything that Trump does not want. Erdoğan simply threw it in the trash can and ordered, within hours, the invasion of Kurdish protected lands in Syria. He knows a scumbag is all bluff and insults - a massive ego - and no balls. But that is the man that right wing extremists (KKK, White Supremacists, Nazis) love. They (and similar ones here) say all this is good.

Just like it was good to massacre 5000 American servicemen in Mission Accomplished for no purpose.

That is why we are and now must be there. The warnings that said why were posted back in 2003.

BTW, same deniers also poo-pooed warnings about the Sprately and Parcel Islands. The Don is even insulting and undermining American allies in that region. Because his best friend is the N Korean dictator Kim. His ego is more important than making America great. By insulting people and lying every day, he is loved by right wing wacko extremists.

How many more American surrenders can be expect this year. Now that The Don is sounding more like Nixon in his last six months.
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