Manchester blast

[Happy Monkey]

On the topic

[xoxoxoBruce]

I wonder if one of these horrific incidents prompts more people who didn't want to get involved to come forward? Of course that can be a double edged sword. Cops may get useful pertinent information but may increase the static from paranoid people whose neighbor only hangs wash out on even numbered days.

[xoxoxoBruce]

From the Mirror

Mr Ramadan, 49, part of the close-knit Libyan community in south Manchester, said the incident unfolded at Didsbury Mosque.

"There was a sermon about anti- Daesh (IS) and he stood up and started calling the Imam - 'You are talking b*****ks," he said.

"And he gave a good stare, a threatening stare into the Imam's eyes,

"He was banned."

I'm glad to hear some mosques are trying to discredit isis.

[tw]

Originally Posted by Happy Monkey

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As the picture demonstrates, police are now accompanied by an armed soldier ... and apparently by Superman.

[DanaC]

Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

From the Mirror


I'm glad to hear some mosques are trying to discredit isis.

I think most probably do try to discredit IS and speak against extremism. I think there are a few hotbeds of activity - Finsbury Park mosque was one the most infamous for a while, but they seem to have gone to a lot of effort to reform since Abu Hamza went.

I daresay a majority of imams would really like these fuckers to stop polluting their faith with their dangerous notions.


It doesn't take a huge number of extremists, and it doesn't take a huge number of sympathetic mosques or community leaders to cause a lot of problems, about which the peaceful majority are unable to do very much.

Back when I was a councillor, I had to engage with various community leaders,and there didn't seem to me to be a massive difference between the attitudes and concerns of local imams and the attitudes and concerns of local vicars. The guys who ran the muslim community centre youth group were just as determined as the Church of England youth club organiser was to get young lads off the street and onto the five-a-side football pitch.

There were some cultural differences, no doubt, particularly in some parts of the muslim community, where the percentage of people who were born and raised in Pakistan or Kashmir was much higher than in other parts of the community, but in general they just seemed to want the same basic shit everyone else wanted.

[sexobon]

Originally Posted by DanaC

... It doesn't take a huge number of extremists, and it doesn't take a huge number of sympathetic mosques or community leaders to cause a lot of problems, about which the peaceful majority are unable to do very much.

[Bold mine]

My impression is that it's only because the English won't let them.

A grassroots unarmed anti-terrorism movement modeled on similar anti-crime movements could significantly reduce the impact of terrorist attacks.

Unfortunately, the English mentality of a passive citizenry that leaves their personal safety to the government, in the hands of professionals, has undermined such grassroots organization; so, there's nothing left to be adapted from anti-crime to anti-terrorism let alone incentive to start from scratch. This also applies to Manchester which while it didn't deserve what happened and didn't want it to happen; nonetheless, was an enabler by just being English.

Now you know and knowing is half the battle. MI6 probably just shakes its head at MI5 and a docile citizenry that doesn't care to change it.

[classicman]

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[monster]

racists?

[monster]

If only we could find something that linked all the health problems of the poor together.....

[sexobon]

hypochondria?

[xoxoxoBruce]

Air, every one of those terrorists breath air. Probably drink water too, but that's not a given. I'll bet every one of the perverts showers nude.

[glatt]

Penises. Every single one of those violent fuckers has a penis.

[xoxoxoBruce]

That's what I said.

[tw]

The brainwashed must do a pathetic god's bidding. Because a feeble god cannot do its own slaying. Why would anyone worship something so pathetic? Brainwashing. It works on adults who are still children.

[Gravdigr]

An adult would have found a new argument by now.