continue Religion debate to infinity here

[slang]

Summation of Cairo posts:
Cairo: Is so!
Jag: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!
Hermit: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!
Radar: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!
Warch: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!
Griff: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!
Perth: Is not!

With a few “dumazzes” thrown in here and there.

Summation of Radar posts:
Radar: Is so!
Jag: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Hermit: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Cairo: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Warch: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Griff: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Perth: Is not!

With a few “dick slaps” thrown in here and there.

(slang realizes he is opening the door to some abuse)

[Cairo]

Psychotic?

As if. It is the only truly long term solution to the entire problem.
The region of syria transjordan was at differing times under the control of syria or jordan. Most recently, the owners of the region in question was the hashemite family of jordan. In effect, the entire region around jerusalem was jordanian territory.


My military and historical reference is THE ARAB-ISRAELI WARS, by CHAIM HERZOG, a good read with a highly useful bibliography.
It was during the 1948 birth of the nation of Israel that a multinational coalition of arab nations, using ex-SS and Nazi soldiers no less, attacked Israel with the intent of "driving them into the sea."
The arab leaders at the time told the palestinian natives to leave their homes so that the arab forces could better engage the jews without endangering fellow arabs. It was promised that once the jews were annihilated, they could return and take part in the pillaging and plundering of the conquered jewish areas.

A few more sensible arabs as well as the Israeli govt asked all inhabitants to just stay in their homes and not get involved. The Israeli govt wasn't going to take anything away from anyone.

The ultimate result?

The arab victories never materialized. Numerous arab confederacies sprung up: 1956, 1967, 1969, 1973- and all were overwhelmingly defeated.
Indeed the victories were the sort of lopsided victories straight out of the bible; the Israelites outnumbered by as many as 8:1, out gunned, out equipped....and yet their enemies were thrown into confusion and utterly crushed by Israel.
If the UN had stayed out of the 1956 conflict there is a high probability that none of this would be happening today.
In much the same way we don't have anymore militaristic japanese emperors giving us anymore trouble.
There wouldn't be any fanatic wahabi clerics causing trouble either, if Israel had been allowed to finish what other people started.

The arab nations are that punk kid whose older cousUN is always keeping them from having their ass cash a check that their mouth wrote.
The UN never interfered any of the times the arabs tried to invade and destroy Israel. No, they only decided to do something when it was plainly clear that the arab capitols were about to be captured.
And the UN can't have Israel dictating the terms of surrender for egypt, syria, lebanon, jordan, iraq, and anyone else stupid enough to bring a fight to Israel.

Syria or Jordan could have absorbed the refugees that they created from Israel.
If the refugees had just stayed home and minded their own business, they would have become Israeli citizens, with all the rights afforded Israeli citizens but none of the military obligations.
Instead they gambled their childrens future in hopes of the unjust gain from looting the jewish areas that they had coveted.
They got what they deserved....0

Now their fellow arabs hope that if they keep the palestinians in a screwed up enough situation long enough. Then hopefully they can obtain though international diplomacy what they couldn't obtain militarily; a foothold far enough into Israel to effect a military victory i.e. drive them into the sea.

My solution punishes the wicked parents at present who think nothing of throwing their children into the fires of Molech; it punishes their enablers as well.
I can be a bit flexible on the cut-off group for the age. You can never underestimate the ability of crass candy coated commercialism to influence kids.
What's to miss? Hunger, fear, murderous parents that are just waiting for you to be old enough to go join your "martyred" brothers and sisters in the field.
I'm sure there would be no shortages of volunteers for pokemon and icecream.

Their bloodline would merge and be absorbed into the nations of the western alliance. The blood sin of genocide would be avoided, all would be copasetic.

I hate no man.
I can only hate that which I have loved.
Which means that I hate an ex or two and that's about it.


My wife isn't an HVAC tech, can't say I have ever even seen one(a chick tech) in this field.

[hermit22]

Originally posted by Cairo
Jaguar -
My husband IS a very scary person...to Socialists and DemocRATS!!! He's a true American Patriot who leans to the right of the Religious right, and proud to let you know that "Red, White, and Blue don't RUN!"

The corollary being that Democrats and Socialists aren't true American Patriots. Nice to see that the government I want to devote my life to is something I'm not truly patriotic about.

[99 44/100% pure]

Originally posted by slang
Summation of Cairo posts:
Cairo: Is so!
Jag: Is not!
Cairo: Is so!

. . .

Summation of Radar posts:
Radar: Is so!
Jag: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
Hermit: Is not!
Radar: Is so!
. . . [ad nauseum]

Slang, thank you for saving me a lot of time reading the blithering hyperbole of these two unseemly idiots. As with advertising, the general rule appears to be that the louder and more frequently one yells, the less one really has to say. The corollary here being that the length of the post is inversely proportional to the value of reading it (so I'll be brief).

Sadly, if either of these windbags actually has anything useful to say, it gets lost in the vitriolic effluvium they spew so carelessly and ceaselessly. It would be so much more amusing if one of them would begin a tiresome rant with "Jane, you ignorant slut!"

When it comes to "Making an Ass of Yourself," these two wrote the book.

PS. The only post (by the ninny twins) worth reading was when Radar had the audacity to call HB a 'cock smoker' -- I'm so sorry I wasn't around to hear the guffaws that engendered!

[99 44/100% pure]

Hey, that's two uses of the (quite lovely) word 'corollary' in consecutive posts! What a gifted group. I wonder what our average SAT scores were?

[perth]

Originally posted by slang
Radar: Is so!
Perth: Is not!

hey! well, at least you gave me the last word.

~james

[hermit22]

Originally posted by Cairo

I already stated the preference for pre 1970 chem books-no political bs.
Unless the laws of physics or thermodynamics changed during the 1970's, everything still reacts and decays at the same pre-1970 rate. Sodium is sodium, and oxygen is oxygen.
The only real material advances have been in the areas of polymers and borax/hydrogen generation. Which you won't find in a high school student textbooks these days.

Hmm. I admit that I hated chemistry in high school/ college, and so don't remember much of it, but I'm fairly certain that we studied some topics that were discovered in only the past 20 years or so. I, for one, would hate to see my kids denied a proper education because a few people couldn't accept the current consensus of the scientific community.

Unless you happen to have lived in puntes wherever, or be personally aquainted with one who is. I don't believe you. And I don't believe everything I read. I believe what I see,

At least you're honest.
I imagine that makes life rather difficult though.

It is the height of human arrogance to even believe that we can parametrically affect the weather of our planet.

It is the height of human stupidity to assume we have nothing to do with it. It's idiotic to assume the atmosphere is not effected by the chemicals we puke into it everyday.

I don't hate arabs, just wahabi fundamentalists.

In fact that's your words. I don't hate anybody.
It's too much energy expended towards things/people that I could care less about.

To be more accurate, I despise wahabi fundamentalist.
My desire for the extermination of all palestinians above the age of 4, and the scattering of the remaining children throughout the adoption agencies of the western alliance nations is purely pragmatic. The 5 year olds are largely corrupted and won't forget their parents being put down to easily. The 4 and under crowd can easily be co-opted by barney, sesame street, mickey mouse and the rest of america's legions. The memory of their psychotic parents having bred them to strap a bomb to them will quickly be forgotten in a blur of pokemon and ice cream.

Apparently you have no idea what a wahabi fundamentalist is; teaching history to air conditioners as you do.

My memory of Wahabbism is a little bit sketchy, but I'll give you a history lesson on what I do remember.

Wahabis, or salafis, were mostly a tribe in what is now Saudi Arabia that survived (in a large part) by attacking caravans in the desert. When the Saudi family was rising to power, they used the Wahabis as their warriors, and rewarded them with advisor positions in the government. Hence, the influence.

I have a feeling you think Palestinians are wahabbis by default. In fact, Hizbollah is Shi'ite (wahabbis are Sunni), and, ostensibly, the PLO, and later, the PA is a secular organization designed to liberate Palestine.

But you may not; I'm not going to assume anything.

I will take issue with your absolute hatred of Palestinians. The pragmatism you claim is really nothing but the manifestation of this set of emotions - spite, hatred, etc. Of course, suicide bombing is a distasteful act, but the fact that some Palestinians strap bombs on their bodies doesn't mean that the entire nation wants to - or wants to convince their children to do.

It's disgusting to see that you want to commit genocide on an entire culture; an entire set of people who, as far as I know, have not directly done you harm. There's no practicality in that, just extermination; the lowest valley of human existence. This view shows you to really be nothing more than a waste of human life. I really have no patience for this kind of talk, no matter if its coming from Pol Pot, Hussein, or some guy from Mississippi.

[slang]

Ok, now allow me to seemingly reverse my position from my previous post.

I think everyone here has something interesting to say more than occasionally. I think its funny though how some people argue. If I pitch a case for something that I have said and the evidence or sources are rejected, the argument is over. That doesnt mean that anyone's opinion has changed but that the arguing about it is over. I'd rather have a good time goofing around than trying to prove a point to someone that will have absolutely no impact on me in the future.

Some people approach this in the opposite way that I do and will defend an idea till the end. They'll go back and forth and back and forth when it's fairly obvious that no progress is being made. That's fine, but I am not going to get in the middle of all that. Believe what you want, I'm not looking to convert the world to slang.

I do cringe when I see people post insulting comments though. Probably as much as many people cringe when they see some of the stupid crap I post.

Anyway, my solution to the hostility is humor. If I happen to make sport of someone I understand that they may be bitter and fire something back. That's understood. Just try to make the retort funny and even I will laugh, sometimes people get too uptight.

[hermit22]

But then I'd be letting Cairo get the last word!

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by 99 44/100% pure
Hey, that's two uses of the (quite lovely) word 'corollary' in consecutive posts! What a gifted group. I wonder what our average SAT scores were?

I didn't take the SAT b/c it generally wasn't required at many midwestern schools (at least in 1993 and 1994). I did get a 30 out of 36 on the ACT though. Does that count?

[slang]

Originally posted by sycamore
I did get a 30 out of 36 on the ACT though.

Is ACT a government program for midwestern poets?

[hermit22]

Originally posted by Cairo

Indeed the victories were the sort of lopsided victories straight out of the bible; the Israelites outnumbered by as many as 8:1, out gunned, out equipped....and yet their

I don't want to get drawn into a discussion on I/P, if you really want to talk about it, I can e-mail you a paper I wrote about it that, I think, sums it up pretty well for how short it is. I really don't see a need to bore most of the Cellar with a discussion trying to show you what my beliefs are. I think it is the bull-headedness of many of the arguments in the conflict that have left it unresolved.

However, I will object to one point - the Israelis haven't exactly been outgunned for a long time. They have the second most modern military in the world, and the first one sure isn't a Muslim nation.

[hermit22]

Originally posted by sycamore


I didn't take the SAT b/c it generally wasn't required at many midwestern schools (at least in 1993 and 1994). I did get a 30 out of 36 on the ACT though. Does that count?

I didn't know where I was going to go, so I took both. (Most people around here only took the SAT's.) I got a 27 on the ACT and a 1310 on the SAT. Not to toot my own horn or anything.

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by slang
Is ACT a government program for midwestern poets?

I wish...

The American College Test is similar to the SAT; the main differences being that you are not penalized for wrong answers on the ACT, and the scoring system is a bit different (1600 is tops on the SAT, 36 on the ACT). Almost every midwestern college used to accept it for admission, though I don't know how it is now. The average score used to be around 20, and you could start winning scholarships with a 25 for the most part.

I got a 30, which got me $2000 a year in scholarship money from the state of Missouri...whoohoo! And I'm sure the state would be proud of what I've done since getting that money and graduating.

[elSicomoro]

Originally posted by hermit22
I didn't know where I was going to go, so I took both. (Most people around here only took the SAT's.) I got a 27 on the ACT and a 1310 on the SAT. Not to toot my own horn or anything.

Nice work hermit!

I took the PSAT...if translated to a SAT score, the range would have been 920-1000. Ugh.