Explosion in Oslo

[Undertoad]

Shamefully, Malkin's first instinct was to use the event to attack her political opposition.

Shamefully, your first instinct was the same.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Shamefully, Malkin's first instinct was to use the event to attack her political opposition.

Shamefully, your first instinct was the same.

So you follow with a shameful attempt to diminish Malkin's shameful post by transferring the shame to me for pointing it out.

How very Merclike of you...or Merclite (he would have thrown in "asshole" in transferring the shame to me)

[Undertoad]

I have diminished nothing.

I don't like Malkin, and I have said so often.

I don't like you, and I will say so now.

[TheMercenary]

I love Malkin's blog and her continual acerbic attacks on the liberal elite... She does a good job of exposing the double standards found so often in todays political theater and Obamanation..

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

I have diminished nothing.

I don't like Malkin, and I have said so often.

I don't like you, and I will say so now.

Well, I'm crushed that you dont like me, but not surprised.

You dont like confrontation when your opinion is challenged.

A typical right wing reaction by equating her Islamaphobia to me for calling it out.

[Undertoad]

This is a thread about a horrible event in Norway.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

This is a thread about a horrible event in Norway.

Oh. That explains the posts about Sara Palin'a violent rhetoric (in jest, I presume) or Green Peace, Earth First, PETA and other domestic terrorists.(not in jest, a typical Mercenary contribution).

You dont like me because I think it was important to note how Malkin and others who spew anti_muslim rhetoric at every opportunity have attempted to manipulate this horrible event? I can live with that.

[Undertoad]

Fine. Here we go then.

Malkin posted a time-stamped update on her post when she learned the truth of the matter; so when you said...

my point was that there are some among the right wing who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism, even knowing that it was not responsible

...you were incorrect. She posted what she knew when she knew it, which was at the same time we all knew it. It was on her post before we picked up the information here.

She even changed the headline to include the new information in red.

Now, if you are honest, you will admit this error. It is as plain as day.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Undertoad

Fine. Here we go then.

Malkin posted a time-stamped update on her post when she learned the truth of the matter; so when you said...



...you were incorrect. She posted what she knew when she knew it, which was at the same time we all knew it. It was on her post before we picked up the information here.

She even changed the headline to include the new information in red.

Now, if you are honest, you will admit this error. It is as plain as day.

Right.

She included the new information in red and left the numerous anti-Muslim links as well, near the top of the post, where they still remain as plain as day, and the focus of her post.

If you were honest, you would have noted that.

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And I still believe that it is relevant that this guy was calling for an anti-Muslim crusade and anti-Muslims in the US like Malkin used the horrible event to further fuel the anti-Muslim fire.

It has also been reported, but not confirmed, that he was a follower of other US anti-Muslim sites like Atlas Shrugged and Jihad Watch.

[Aliantha]

You know, personally I believe there's a small shift in attitudes towards Muslim people in western countries thanks to the education we're constantly being given about lifestyles and true beliefs of ordinary, every day run of the mill Muslim people.

There is a long way to go, but I think the average person is starting to realize that some people are doing a lot more fear mongering than the actual threat warrants.

Have a little faith in humanity. We're smarter than you think.

[Fair&Balanced]

Originally Posted by Aliantha

You know, personally I believe there's a small shift in attitudes towards Muslim people in western countries thanks to the education we're constantly being given about lifestyles and true beliefs of ordinary, every day run of the mill Muslim people.

There is a long way to go, but I think the average person is starting to realize that some people are doing a lot more fear mongering than the actual threat warrants.

Have a little faith in humanity. We're smarter than you think.

Perhaps that is the case in Australia.

In much of Europe, there is a growing anti-immigrant, anti-Muslim movement. It is not as prevalent in Norway, but it is present.

And in the US, while it is not quite as bad, there are many people who associate Islam with terrorism, making no distinction, fueled by the rhetoric of the likes of Malkin, Pam Geller and others.

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Hell, in the US, we have a Republican presidential candidate, Herman Cain, who says the First Amendment right to the free expression of religion should allow cities to ban mosques.

[Aliantha]

I happen to disagree with your point on a personal level. I believe that most people are smart enough to distinguish shit from shinola even if they happen to agree in principal with the political beliefs of a particular person who happens to speak shit from time to time.

[Fair&Balanced]

Thats fine. You certainly dont have to agree with me.

But the growth of anti-immigrant (anti-Muslim) political parties in Europe and the anti-Muslim rhetoric of the conservative candidates and blogger all have many followers.

And the more they are not called out for their rhetoric, the more they become acceptable.

[Undertoad]

Right.

Thank you. So, now, without changing the subject to me...

Do you have another example of a right winger who used this attack to deflect the issue to Muslim extremism?

[Aliantha]

Originally Posted by Fair&Balanced

Thats fine.

But the growth of anti-immigrant (anti-Muslim) political parties in Europe and the anti-Muslim rhetoric of the conservative candidates and blogger all have many followers.

And the more they are not called out for their rhetoric, the more they become acceptable.

I could be wrong, but I suspect they have equally (easily) as many people who recognise their work for what it is.

The world is not a simple place. Change takes time, but I choose to believe it's happening. Probably not fast enough, but that's the way it goes.