Linux help needed - Page 2

Undertoad · 04-04-2010, 07:28 AM

Second question: What you want to do is set up Samba. Samba is Windows networking for Linux. You can share both ways - Linux can see your shared folders and you can share folders on the Linux system. It's pretty easy, I would just google samba ubuntu, or this video might be the trick.

Undertoad · 04-04-2010, 07:49 AM

First question: this is a pain, because Ubuntu takes its time updating in their official repository. You'll get security updates fast, but other version updates may happen more often than Ubuntu allows through. This is a good thing in general, because they are reviewing everything to make sure it all hangs together. If I were you I would just rely on Ubuntu's regular method of updating and run with the slightly older version.

BrianR · 04-04-2010, 12:53 PM

UT, that video wasn't very helpful...my world is not perfect!

I have now messed up the configuration for BOTH machines. I think I can fix Linux, but I may have to shoot Windows!

BrianR · 04-05-2010, 10:25 AM

I have called in my wife's guru to unscramble my Windows configuration. Only because apparently, it is illegal to shoot things within city limits!

Linux, no problem fixing that. I made a backup of the configuration file in question before I messed with it and when it became obvious that I had done something wrong, all I had to do was delete the bad one and rename the good one and everything was fine, after a simple command-line session.

Why, oh why, couldn't that work with Windows?

After a full day of frustrating reconfiguring and lost sleep, not to mention tearing out all my long hair, I have decided that Windows is not long for this household. I was going to let it stay around as a dual-boot companion. But once I figure out how to get my stuff off, it's gone! Even the laptop won't be spared.

The few pieces of software that NEED Windows can be done without. Eventually, either a Linux variant will come along that will do the job or I will learn to live without.

Bye Bye Team Viewer! You were useful to me but since you don't support Linux, I don't want you anymore!

I am impressed enough already by the later versions of Ubuntu that it will be my new system. Heck, it even found my networked printer...seamlessly! Windows never did find it, even with the proper software. I had to install a wireless card to use the darn thing! Linux found and installed the only working printer in the house (the Lexmark needs new ink cartridges again!).

I thought I'd miss the Wizards but the newer package managers do a pretty good job of finding and installing things. They keep my desktop clear too! For the odd lost file, FIND does a superior job of telling me where it is. Windows search companion is far too slow and half the time doesn't find what I asked for!

Now, as for my data transfer issue...

Who can tell me how to mount my external HD via USB? My manuals are not very clear on this point.

Undertoad · 04-05-2010, 10:52 AM

It should offer to mount it automatically... but if it doesn't...

This is the page on that

I have been using the manual method, myself, because I'm lazy.

BrianR · 04-05-2010, 06:18 PM

I did what was suggested. Automount is true but nothing happens. The drive works fine when inserted in the XP system. Pmount doesn't help. I can't find anything in my system files that even tells me that the drive has a label.

Does it matter if the external HD is IDE? I think the system is SATA or scsi.

Undertoad · 04-05-2010, 06:22 PM

Run that fdisk -l from the command line, after it's plugged in, to see if the system sees it.

BrianR · 04-05-2010, 10:06 PM

no

Undertoad · 04-05-2010, 11:14 PM

Then there must be another problem going on with it.

BrianR · 04-06-2010, 09:51 AM

I don't know what...the drive works fine when plugged into XP. The USB ports accept my mouse and iPod so they are working.

Windows guru is due in today sometime to look at that end and put things right. If that doesn't fix things, I will have a Unix guru in later to look at this end. One way or another, I *will* get those files over, even if I have to email them to myself a few at a time!

BrianR · 04-06-2010, 11:31 PM

OK. The external drive issue is moot; I now can talk over my LAN.

However, I am still disturbed that something doesn't work right. I'll play with it on my spare time until the drive works. OCD, thy name is BrianR!

The network problem turned out to be some weird configuration thing with Windows XP. Even my guru was stumped until he went into the router and saw a bunch of users that he couldn't identify. That got me running around collecting IPs from all me devices. Come time to check my laptop, I turn it on and lo and behold, the network can see and interact with it perfectly!

So he goes into it's particular network configuration and copies it all over to the desktop manually and presto! It now works properly! So that's that.

While we were at it, as fixed it so that I can see and talk to every computer in the house. Just in case. Now, when I add a file server, backups will be a breeze!

Thanks for all the help though. I will keep asking questions as I hit them. You guys are great!

Sperlock · 04-07-2010, 09:10 PM

I'd be curious to see what the dmesg command shows after you try plugging in the external drive. I've used that before when troubleshooting stuff like this.

Undertoad · 04-07-2010, 10:57 PM

There is also the lsusb command, run before and after.

BrianR · 04-08-2010, 12:09 AM

dmesg?

I'll try it and see

in the meantime, lsusb...
before:

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

after:

Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub

I'm sure the ports are working because an iPod is detected and installed immediately.

dmesg output in next message

BrianR · 04-08-2010, 12:11 AM

the message is huge! I will have to email it to those interested.

pm me an email address and you shall have it.

04-04-2010, 12:53 PM	#18
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	UT, that video wasn't very helpful...my world is not perfect! I have now messed up the configuration for BOTH machines. I think I can fix Linux, but I may have to shoot Windows! __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-05-2010, 10:25 AM	#19
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	I have called in my wife's guru to unscramble my Windows configuration. Only because apparently, it is illegal to shoot things within city limits! Linux, no problem fixing that. I made a backup of the configuration file in question before I messed with it and when it became obvious that I had done something wrong, all I had to do was delete the bad one and rename the good one and everything was fine, after a simple command-line session. Why, oh why, couldn't that work with Windows? After a full day of frustrating reconfiguring and lost sleep, not to mention tearing out all my long hair, I have decided that Windows is not long for this household. I was going to let it stay around as a dual-boot companion. But once I figure out how to get my stuff off, it's gone! Even the laptop won't be spared. The few pieces of software that NEED Windows can be done without. Eventually, either a Linux variant will come along that will do the job or I will learn to live without. Bye Bye Team Viewer! You were useful to me but since you don't support Linux, I don't want you anymore! I am impressed enough already by the later versions of Ubuntu that it will be my new system. Heck, it even found my networked printer...seamlessly! Windows never did find it, even with the proper software. I had to install a wireless card to use the darn thing! Linux found and installed the only working printer in the house (the Lexmark needs new ink cartridges again!). I thought I'd miss the Wizards but the newer package managers do a pretty good job of finding and installing things. They keep my desktop clear too! For the odd lost file, FIND does a superior job of telling me where it is. Windows search companion is far too slow and half the time doesn't find what I asked for! Now, as for my data transfer issue... Who can tell me how to mount my external HD via USB? My manuals are not very clear on this point. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-05-2010, 06:18 PM	#21
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	I did what was suggested. Automount is true but nothing happens. The drive works fine when inserted in the XP system. Pmount doesn't help. I can't find anything in my system files that even tells me that the drive has a label. Does it matter if the external HD is IDE? I think the system is SATA or scsi. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-05-2010, 10:06 PM	#23
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	no __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-06-2010, 09:51 AM	#25
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	I don't know what...the drive works fine when plugged into XP. The USB ports accept my mouse and iPod so they are working. Windows guru is due in today sometime to look at that end and put things right. If that doesn't fix things, I will have a Unix guru in later to look at this end. One way or another, I will get those files over, even if I have to email them to myself a few at a time! __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-04-2010, 07:28 AM	#16
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Second question: What you want to do is set up Samba. Samba is Windows networking for Linux. You can share both ways - Linux can see your shared folders and you can share folders on the Linux system. It's pretty easy, I would just google samba ubuntu, or this video might be the trick.

04-04-2010, 07:49 AM	#17
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	First question: this is a pain, because Ubuntu takes its time updating in their official repository. You'll get security updates fast, but other version updates may happen more often than Ubuntu allows through. This is a good thing in general, because they are reviewing everything to make sure it all hangs together. If I were you I would just rely on Ubuntu's regular method of updating and run with the slightly older version.

04-05-2010, 10:52 AM	#20
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	It should offer to mount it automatically... but if it doesn't... This is the page on that I have been using the manual method, myself, because I'm lazy.

04-05-2010, 06:22 PM	#22
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Run that fdisk -l from the command line, after it's plugged in, to see if the system sees it.

04-05-2010, 11:14 PM	#24
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	Then there must be another problem going on with it.

04-06-2010, 11:31 PM	#26
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	OK. The external drive issue is moot; I now can talk over my LAN. However, I am still disturbed that something doesn't work right. I'll play with it on my spare time until the drive works. OCD, thy name is BrianR! The network problem turned out to be some weird configuration thing with Windows XP. Even my guru was stumped until he went into the router and saw a bunch of users that he couldn't identify. That got me running around collecting IPs from all me devices. Come time to check my laptop, I turn it on and lo and behold, the network can see and interact with it perfectly! So he goes into it's particular network configuration and copies it all over to the desktop manually and presto! It now works properly! So that's that. While we were at it, as fixed it so that I can see and talk to every computer in the house. Just in case. Now, when I add a file server, backups will be a breeze! Thanks for all the help though. I will keep asking questions as I hit them. You guys are great! __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-07-2010, 09:10 PM	#27
Sperlock Elite Elitist Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Reno, NV Posts: 322	I'd be curious to see what the dmesg command shows after you try plugging in the external drive. I've used that before when troubleshooting stuff like this. __________________ Every oak tree started out as a couple of nuts who stood their ground. - Anonymous http://informationthreshold.blogspot.com, http://spiritualthreshold.blogspot.com

04-07-2010, 10:57 PM	#28
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	There is also the lsusb command, run before and after.

04-08-2010, 12:09 AM	#29
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	dmesg? I'll try it and see in the meantime, lsusb... before: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub after: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub I'm sure the ports are working because an iPod is detected and installed immediately. dmesg output in next message __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

04-08-2010, 12:11 AM	#30
BrianR Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 3,338	the message is huge! I will have to email it to those interested. pm me an email address and you shall have it. __________________ Never be afraid to tell the world who you are. -- Anonymous

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