11/6/2004: Visual display of the electoral divide

Undertoad · 11-06-2004, 10:51 AM

Is the US a horribly divided country? Should panicky Kerry voters in "red" states move to "blue" states? Not at all.

We've all seen the red-blue state depiction... ad infinitum. Fans of Tufte's work on visual display of quantitative information may enjoy the differences between that approach, and the above.

The above shows us an entirely different view of the country, but one that's more meaningful to the character of the country than the standard red-blue. The standard shows us red, if the divide is 51% red, 49% blue, and vice-versa. The above shows that divide exactly as it is.

This guy has produced the same "purple" county-by-county, too large to link here directly, but it's a beautiful thing.

Compare those maps to to this one:

This one is being used by R folks to suggest that the red-blue divide in the country is deeper than it is, and that the country is actually much more red than blue. Not the case; it's merely the wrong way to display the results. The above map tells you nothing because it biases for geographic area taken up in an election that divided urbanites against suburbanites and ruralites. The blue areas look small, but the appearance is deceiving; it's only because the people there are concentrated into a small area.

This gentleman has corrected for that problem, and produced cartograms, where the visual size of the counties is adjusted for their population size. That produces a very strange-looking graphic indeed, but it's actually more accurate in many senses than the red-blue county map.

jaguar · 11-06-2004, 11:15 AM

Facinating stuff, the last maps you linked to are interesting indeed. However, I don't see what this has to do with divisions in the community.

Cyber Wolf · 11-06-2004, 11:33 AM

There should be a push for more maps like these to be used to show how the country voted. It shows the greys between straight up R or D. Just because one of them won a state or a community doesn't mean EVERYONE in that area voted that way. Also, these maps over time could better show how the country's tendencies shift and move. I'd love to see something like this animated with data spanning 10 or 20 years or so. These are good maps. Very good.

richlevy · 11-06-2004, 12:10 PM

The funny thing about the cartogram is that it looks like a standing eagle with outstretched wings.

xoxoxoBruce · 11-06-2004, 07:14 PM

Sound bites for the eyes? Eye bites?

richlevy · 11-07-2004, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by xoxoxoBruce

Sound bites for the eyes? Eye bites?

Actually, the process of juxtaposing charts with maps goes back at least to Charles Minard in his graphical explanation of the losses to the French army in Russia.

In the chart you see the thick band of French marching towards Moscow and the thin band of survivors limping home.

Elspode · 11-07-2004, 11:59 AM

My History teacher in high school was also the French teacher. In addition to her bifurcated educational responsbilities, she was also the Staff weirdo. She claimed, for example, that she had worked her way through college as a prostitute, and she insisted that everyone call her Madame Schwartz...even those not taking French.

One of her favorite historical anecdotes was this: she claimed the French army lost to the Russians because they didn't know how to crap in the snow, and so froze their anuses and died from the subsequent infections.

Yelof · 11-07-2004, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Elspode

My History teacher in high school was also the French teacher. In addition to her bifurcated educational responsbilities, she was also the Staff weirdo. She claimed, for example, that she had worked her way through college as a prostitute, and she insisted that everyone call her Madame Schwartz...even those not taking French.

One of her favorite historical anecdotes was this: she claimed the French army lost to the Russians because they didn't know how to crap in the snow, and so froze their anuses and died from the subsequent infections.

Your history teacher sounds like she was cool, and to think I was impressed with mine because of his Gengus Khan "first man to come and go at the same time" joke.

Gengus Khan supposedly died while making love..ok it was risque for a Jesuit school!

Karenv · 11-08-2004, 08:00 AM

The cartograms are difficult to read. I really like the linked county by county purple map- too bad that he can't do things like very pale red for rural Oklahoma and really intense blue for New York City, so we can get a sense of the vote strength.

As it is, any graphic representation on a map will overestimate Republican strength because at this time Democrats are concentrated in the cities and cities are a LOT more dense than rural areas.

LabRat · 11-08-2004, 10:26 AM

the cartograms reminded me of the homunculus (hoe-munn-Q-luss), a representation of our bodies based on the number of sensory neurons in the brain for each area. Cool.

Silent · 11-08-2004, 12:07 PM

Based on how much time we spend thinking about it, I'm suprised the naughty bits aren't larger....

wolf · 11-08-2004, 01:07 PM

and there are a fair number of sensory neurons there too ...

Happy Monkey · 11-08-2004, 02:10 PM

The homunculus representation just represents the quantity, not the quality!

Happy Monkey · 11-09-2004, 10:15 AM

This one looks sorta like a fish...

Kitsune · 11-09-2004, 12:01 PM

Based on how much time we spend thinking about it, I'm suprised the naughty bits aren't larger....

That's because the homunculus LabRat posted is the motor cortex representation, not the somatosensory one.

11-06-2004, 10:51 AM	#1
Undertoad Radical Centrist Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Cottage of Prussia Posts: 31,423	11/6/2004: Visual display of the electoral divide Is the US a horribly divided country? Should panicky Kerry voters in "red" states move to "blue" states? Not at all. We've all seen the red-blue state depiction... ad infinitum. Fans of Tufte's work on visual display of quantitative information may enjoy the differences between that approach, and the above. The above shows us an entirely different view of the country, but one that's more meaningful to the character of the country than the standard red-blue. The standard shows us red, if the divide is 51% red, 49% blue, and vice-versa. The above shows that divide exactly as it is. This guy has produced the same "purple" county-by-county, too large to link here directly, but it's a beautiful thing. Compare those maps to to this one: This one is being used by R folks to suggest that the red-blue divide in the country is deeper than it is, and that the country is actually much more red than blue. Not the case; it's merely the wrong way to display the results. The above map tells you nothing because it biases for geographic area taken up in an election that divided urbanites against suburbanites and ruralites. The blue areas look small, but the appearance is deceiving; it's only because the people there are concentrated into a small area. This gentleman has corrected for that problem, and produced cartograms, where the visual size of the counties is adjusted for their population size. That produces a very strange-looking graphic indeed, but it's actually more accurate in many senses than the red-blue county map.

11-06-2004, 11:15 AM	#2
jaguar whig Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 5,075	Facinating stuff, the last maps you linked to are interesting indeed. However, I don't see what this has to do with divisions in the community. __________________ Good friends, good books and a sleepy conscience: this is the ideal life. - Twain

11-06-2004, 11:33 AM	#3
Cyber Wolf As stable as a ring of PU-239 Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: On a huge rock covered in water, highly advanced moss and 7 billion parasites Posts: 1,264	There should be a push for more maps like these to be used to show how the country voted. It shows the greys between straight up R or D. Just because one of them won a state or a community doesn't mean EVERYONE in that area voted that way. Also, these maps over time could better show how the country's tendencies shift and move. I'd love to see something like this animated with data spanning 10 or 20 years or so. These are good maps. Very good. __________________ "I don't see what's so triffic about creating people as people and then getting' upset 'cos they act like people." ~Adam Young, Good Omens "I don't see why it matters what is written. Not when it's about people. It can always be crossed out." ~Adam Young, Good Omens

11-06-2004, 12:10 PM	#4
richlevy King Of Wishful Thinking Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Philadelphia Suburbs Posts: 6,669	The funny thing about the cartogram is that it looks like a standing eagle with outstretched wings. Attached Images __________________ Exercise your rights and remember your obligations - VOTE! I have always believed that hope is that stubborn thing inside us that insists, despite all the evidence to the contrary, that something better awaits us so long as we have the courage to keep reaching, to keep working, to keep fighting. -- Barack Hussein Obama

11-06-2004, 07:14 PM	#5
xoxoxoBruce The future is unwritten Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 71,105	Sound bites for the eyes? Eye bites? __________________ The descent of man ~ Nixon, Friedman, Reagan, Trump.

11-07-2004, 11:59 AM	#7
Elspode When Do I Get Virtual Unreality? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Raytown, Missouri Posts: 12,719	My History teacher in high school was also the French teacher. In addition to her bifurcated educational responsbilities, she was also the Staff weirdo. She claimed, for example, that she had worked her way through college as a prostitute, and she insisted that everyone call her Madame Schwartz...even those not taking French. One of her favorite historical anecdotes was this: she claimed the French army lost to the Russians because they didn't know how to crap in the snow, and so froze their anuses and died from the subsequent infections. __________________ "To those of you who are wearing ties, I think my dad would appreciate it if you took them off." - Robert Moog

11-08-2004, 08:00 AM	#9
Karenv Slacker Join Date: May 2004 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 144	The cartograms are difficult to read. I really like the linked county by county purple map- too bad that he can't do things like very pale red for rural Oklahoma and really intense blue for New York City, so we can get a sense of the vote strength. As it is, any graphic representation on a map will overestimate Republican strength because at this time Democrats are concentrated in the cities and cities are a LOT more dense than rural areas.

11-08-2004, 10:26 AM	#10
LabRat twatfaced two legged bumhole Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 3,143	the cartograms reminded me of the homunculus (hoe-munn-Q-luss), a representation of our bodies based on the number of sensory neurons in the brain for each area. Cool. __________________ Strength does not come from how much weight you can lift, or how many miles you can run. It comes from knowing that you set a goal, and rose to the challenge. Strength comes from within. Last edited by LabRat; 01-18-2007 at 09:02 AM.

11-08-2004, 12:07 PM	#11
Silent Romanes Eunt Domus Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 702	Based on how much time we spend thinking about it, I'm suprised the naughty bits aren't larger....

11-08-2004, 01:07 PM	#12
wolf lobber of scimitars Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phila Burbs Posts: 20,774	and there are a fair number of sensory neurons there too ... __________________ wolf eht htiw og "Conspiracies are the norm, not the exception." --G. Edward Griffin The Creature from Jekyll Island High Priestess of the Church of the Whale Penis

11-08-2004, 02:10 PM	#13
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	The homunculus representation just represents the quantity, not the quality! __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-09-2004, 10:15 AM	#14
Happy Monkey I think this line's mostly filler. Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: DC Posts: 13,575	This one looks sorta like a fish... __________________ _________________ \|...............\| We live in the nick of times. \| Len 17, Wid 3 \| \|_______________\| [pics]

11-09-2004, 12:01 PM	#15
Kitsune still eats dirt Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3,031	Based on how much time we spend thinking about it, I'm suprised the naughty bits aren't larger.... That's because the homunculus LabRat posted is the motor cortex representation, not the somatosensory one.

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