Bhutto dead in Rawalpindi

slang · 12-27-2007, 09:34 AM

classicman · 12-27-2007, 09:43 AM

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President Bush, vacationing at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, was informed of Bhutto's death during his regular morning briefing. The White House had no immediate comment, although a statement was planned.

No comment? How bout a freakin "sorry" at least? Grrrr

slang · 12-27-2007, 09:57 AM

Hey, put the gun down.

He's not great with words. I'm sure his staff writer will come up with something appropriate.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 10:55 AM

It's too late when he doesn't say Something after its reported that he knew. A decisive and intelligent leader would say the right thing immediately. All he had to do was show compassion. Anything would be better than a canned speech later. Thats not only lame as a president or leader its lame, really lame, as a person.

This is half his problem - He isn't that smart - He isn't the best speaker - He is supposed to be a moral man - use that for G--s sake! Pretty much all he has left - if he's got that at all.

slang · 12-27-2007, 11:07 AM

Ok then.

Urbane Guerrilla · 12-27-2007, 11:26 AM

Classicman, and I say this as a poster who rather likes you personally, shut the hell up. You're really asking the Leader Of The Free World to blurt. I don't think he should blurt.

Allow statesmanship to be, and don't try honoring Benazir Bhutto's memory by getting hysterical. We saw enough of that to last a lifetime on the morning of 9/11 -- outrageous then, and I'm not going to take it now.

Turning to the spark of all this: suicide attack by gunman who then kills twenty blowing himself into pink mist -- sounds to me like somebody's hostile to political reform in Islam, and Bhutto would have been a likely focal point.

slang · 12-27-2007, 11:30 AM

Yes, the whole thing is sad. It's a tragedy for the Pak people.

I don't understand all the politics there or all the history. When I was there to visit though, they were the nicest people anyone would care to meet.

Rawalpindi is very friendly to foreigners and they were surely friendly and protective of me during my trip. There are a handful of people that I am still incontact with there. My communications with that country have have trickled to just a few e-mails a year now with some links to other interesting places that my adventures take me.

Soon after arriving there, I started asking people about Musharraf. If they were supporters, did they approve of his policies and such things. Most of the people I talked to were supporters and approved of the assistance to the west.

Those opinions may well have been politeness in my presence.

In just 2 years the tide has changed for Musharraf. I'm guessing that this is moreso outside of Rawalpindi and Lahore.

Peshawar and Karachi seemed to be hotspots for the fundimentalists. Quetta seemed to be a bit more extreme yet.

I wish them the best though and I'd surely like to go back again someday. It's a Muslim country (or Pindi anyway ) that is surely tolerant to foreign Christians so long as they aren't there for missionary work.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 01:22 PM

UG, you might as well take your own advice. If Bush were 1/10 the leader you wesapouse, he would have said and done the right thing immediately. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough or capable of forming a sincere sense of condolences from the people whom he supposedly represents, the American people.

Then again maybe his silence did....... we'll see.

Cloud · 12-27-2007, 01:32 PM

very shocking. She was definitely living dangerously, though.

Radar · 12-27-2007, 02:03 PM

I think it's painfully clear that Musharraf was behind this assassination. First he locks up all the judges, then he delays elections and puts the country under martial law....then he refuses to increase security after being begged by Bhutto's people.

He was about to lose the election so he took steps to make sure that didn't happen. The news just glossed over this, but at the same time Bhutto was killed, the other opposition leader in the election was also attacked.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 02:49 PM

I agree with your take on this Radar. Too many coincidences, not just on this, but the last few months also.

classicman · 12-27-2007, 03:41 PM

'A Wrong Must Be Righted'

excerpts from a Parade interview with Bhutto.

piercehawkeye45 · 12-27-2007, 04:18 PM

I agree with Radar, I am certain Musharraf was behind it.

Musharraf wants to keep power, we might (prediction) see more of Pakistan in the future with relations to India. Both are militarizing fast.

Griff · 12-27-2007, 07:36 PM

Very bad situation indeed.

Aliantha · 12-27-2007, 09:20 PM

Most likely it'll descend into civil war and then the west will decide to choose sides.

12-27-2007, 09:34 AM	#1
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Bhutto dead in Rawalpindi Bad news all around.

12-27-2007, 10:55 AM	#4
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	It's too late when he doesn't say Something after its reported that he knew. A decisive and intelligent leader would say the right thing immediately. All he had to do was show compassion. Anything would be better than a canned speech later. Thats not only lame as a president or leader its lame, really lame, as a person. This is half his problem - He isn't that smart - He isn't the best speaker - He is supposed to be a moral man - use that for G--s sake! Pretty much all he has left - if he's got that at all. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 11:13 AM.

12-27-2007, 11:26 AM	#6
Urbane Guerrilla Person who doesn't update the user title Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Southern California Posts: 6,674	Classicman, and I say this as a poster who rather likes you personally, shut the hell up. You're really asking the Leader Of The Free World to blurt. I don't think he should blurt. Allow statesmanship to be, and don't try honoring Benazir Bhutto's memory by getting hysterical. We saw enough of that to last a lifetime on the morning of 9/11 -- outrageous then, and I'm not going to take it now. Turning to the spark of all this: suicide attack by gunman who then kills twenty blowing himself into pink mist -- sounds to me like somebody's hostile to political reform in Islam, and Bhutto would have been a likely focal point. __________________ Wanna stop school shootings? End Gun-Free Zones, of course. Last edited by Urbane Guerrilla; 12-27-2007 at 11:33 AM.

12-27-2007, 11:30 AM	#7
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Yes, the whole thing is sad. It's a tragedy for the Pak people. I don't understand all the politics there or all the history. When I was there to visit though, they were the nicest people anyone would care to meet. Rawalpindi is very friendly to foreigners and they were surely friendly and protective of me during my trip. There are a handful of people that I am still incontact with there. My communications with that country have have trickled to just a few e-mails a year now with some links to other interesting places that my adventures take me. Soon after arriving there, I started asking people about Musharraf. If they were supporters, did they approve of his policies and such things. Most of the people I talked to were supporters and approved of the assistance to the west. Those opinions may well have been politeness in my presence. In just 2 years the tide has changed for Musharraf. I'm guessing that this is moreso outside of Rawalpindi and Lahore. Peshawar and Karachi seemed to be hotspots for the fundimentalists. Quetta seemed to be a bit more extreme yet. I wish them the best though and I'd surely like to go back again someday. It's a Muslim country (or Pindi anyway ) that is surely tolerant to foreign Christians so long as they aren't there for missionary work. Last edited by slang; 12-27-2007 at 11:35 AM.

12-27-2007, 01:22 PM	#8
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	UG, you might as well take your own advice. If Bush were 1/10 the leader you wesapouse, he would have said and done the right thing immediately. Unfortunately, he isn't smart enough or capable of forming a sincere sense of condolences from the people whom he supposedly represents, the American people. Then again maybe his silence did....... we'll see. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 01:47 PM.

12-27-2007, 09:57 AM	#3
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Hey, put the gun down. He's not great with words. I'm sure his staff writer will come up with something appropriate.

12-27-2007, 11:07 AM	#5
slang St Petersburg, Florida Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,423	Ok then.

12-27-2007, 01:32 PM	#9
Cloud ... Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 8,360	very shocking. She was definitely living dangerously, though. __________________ "Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the bastards!"

12-27-2007, 02:03 PM	#10
Radar Constitutional Scholar Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Ocala, FL Posts: 4,006	I think it's painfully clear that Musharraf was behind this assassination. First he locks up all the judges, then he delays elections and puts the country under martial law....then he refuses to increase security after being begged by Bhutto's people. He was about to lose the election so he took steps to make sure that didn't happen. The news just glossed over this, but at the same time Bhutto was killed, the other opposition leader in the election was also attacked. __________________ "I'm completely in favor of the separation of Church and State. My idea is that these two institutions screw us up enough on their own, so both of them together is certain death." - George Carlin

12-27-2007, 02:49 PM	#11
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	I agree with your take on this Radar. Too many coincidences, not just on this, but the last few months also. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt

12-27-2007, 03:41 PM	#12
classicman barely disguised asshole, keeper of all that is holy. Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 23,401	'A Wrong Must Be Righted' excerpts from a Parade interview with Bhutto. __________________ "like strapping a pillow on a bull in a china shop" Bullitt Last edited by classicman; 12-27-2007 at 04:32 PM.

12-27-2007, 04:18 PM	#13
piercehawkeye45 Franklin Pierce Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 3,695	I agree with Radar, I am certain Musharraf was behind it. Musharraf wants to keep power, we might (prediction) see more of Pakistan in the future with relations to India. Both are militarizing fast.

12-27-2007, 07:36 PM	#14
Griff still says videotape Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 26,813	Very bad situation indeed. __________________ If you would only recognize that life is hard, things would be so much easier for you. - Louis D. Brandeis

12-27-2007, 09:20 PM	#15
Aliantha trying hard to be a better person Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,493	Most likely it'll descend into civil war and then the west will decide to choose sides. __________________ Kind words are the music of the world. F. W. Faber

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