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Old 08-26-2009, 05:00 PM   #16
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That's it, exactly. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but it's the constant wrangling about politics and pushing the churchiness I object to.

I think it's the "reformed sinner" syndrome--those people are always more zealous.

I'd rather have him this way, than killing himself with alcohol.

But . . .
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Old 08-26-2009, 08:09 PM   #17
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My ex-husband has turned into a complete right-wing, fundamentalist Christian--goes to one of those mega churches. That's all he does--does his AA thing, reads religious books, goes to church and watches Rush Limbaugh. Pressures the rest of the family to be churchy and acts offended when we aren't. We never have been, and he knows that.


I worry that he's been brainwashed or something.
Yeah, quite likely.

Baptist mega-churches are nowadays set up with awesome sound and lighting systems, climate control, etc, and with a bit of peer pressure and group think, can produce some limited forms of mind control.

AA is also known to work more or less as a cult, not always in a bad way.

Read "Cults: Faith, Healing and Coercion" by Marc Galanter for further information.


But, self-destroying alcoholic, or irritating born-again religious ... I guess the latter is the lesser of two evils.
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Old 08-26-2009, 11:37 PM   #18
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I agree. That's why it's a rant.
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:06 AM   #19
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You could counter by telling him about the wonderful world of Islam.
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Old 08-27-2009, 08:09 AM   #20
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If I were one of those . . . arguesome people, maybe.

You know you you are!
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:43 PM   #21
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That's it, exactly. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs, but it's the constant wrangling about politics and pushing the churchiness I object to.

I think it's the "reformed sinner" syndrome--those people are always more zealous.

I'd rather have him this way, than killing himself with alcohol.

But . . .
Nail. On. The. Head.

Perhaps if this is all new found to him, he is currently a bit over zealous, but the excitement and newness may wear off a bit over time, enough to calm him down (and shut him up) a bit? That's what happened when my ex joined AA and the Catholic Church shortly after we split. After about a year teh storm was lowered to a dull roar.
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Old 08-27-2009, 12:58 PM   #22
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Unfortunately, it's been several years and I think it's a permanent condition.
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Old 08-27-2009, 01:04 PM   #23
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Dammit. Then just put him on ignore whenever you can. That's what I do with mine. Until he becomes so annoying that I have to ask him, "Excuse me E? Can you please shut the f*ck up? Thank you."
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Old 08-31-2009, 06:42 AM   #24
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I think if J ever went down that road, it'd just about break my heart. Sad stuff Cloud. But then, as you say, at least he's not killing himself with the demon drink now.
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:07 AM   #25
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If I were one of those . . . arguesome people, maybe.

You know you you are!
Yes I do know who I am. Its not always fun trust me, especially if you are surrounded by those with the exact opposite of your belief system...and who cry when you try to calmly explain your side of things because you are "so lost."


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I think if J ever went down that road, it'd just about break my heart. Sad stuff Cloud. But then, as you say, at least he's not killing himself with the demon drink now.
What is the "blood of Christ" that they give out at communion then?

I am so goin to hell
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Old 08-31-2009, 07:24 AM   #26
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Well I'd say that's representational cannibalism, but wtf do I know? :P
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Old 08-31-2009, 08:06 AM   #27
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Human Sacrifice Lite.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:06 AM   #28
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There's a short-circuit that connects in people's heads when they've found "the one true answer to [whatever]" and they get such a powerful feeling of satisfaction from being so right about it that it pushes away other things.
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interesting perspective


@cloud.

I can understand the horror. At least I can empathize with what must feel like a case of the body snatchers. Unreal like and bizzare probably.
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Old 08-31-2009, 09:26 AM   #29
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yeah, it's like -- who are you and what have you done with the guy I've known for 30 years?
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