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Old 07-11-2018, 01:14 PM   #16
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The Sol system, including Earth. I'm assuming several planets and lots of moons and asteroids were colonized there before they set out on interstellar journeys.
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Old 07-11-2018, 01:49 PM   #17
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So much of this is enforced by societal norms ("Golgothans are" this or that, describing their unique cultural identity). When temporaries and immigrants arrive in bunches, and your nation-state actually depends on them, they will bring their underlying culture and the present norms are threatened.

What they bring may be a net positive or negative, but it will change things. Necessarily.
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Old 07-11-2018, 03:48 PM   #18
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He mentioned that the Orthodoxy has the ability to modify human drives. Maybe Golgotha has a secret illuminati that makes sure "Golgathans are" a certain way using the same tech.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:29 PM   #19
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When temporaries and immigrants arrive in bunches, and your nation-state actually depends on them, they will bring their underlying culture and the present norms are threatened.
That's why you bring in what you need as slaves, keep them in their place, and don't let them poison others with their cultures.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:30 PM   #20
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"All vac-suits are identical?"

Golgothan types: yeah. No nonsense, simple, robust. No one skimps on a vac suit. You may be in it for days or weeks. Don't forget, Golgotha is a mining station.

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"Every item has a fiat price?"

No, but there's a range that most products and services fall into determined by tte market (Golgothans, buyin' and sellin').

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"Nothing is haggled for?"

Absolutely, but again within that market range.

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"Also - erg-creds. If the money is credits towards energy, who backs them? Are they managed in a bank?"

I'm uncertain how to work this. Energy production is decentralized on and in Golgotha with multiple small fission plants all over the damned place as well electricity excessed from various ship fusion pulse drives.

How this translates into a stable currency is a damned good question. I'll have to research the subject.

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"Crimes that would require a professional detective will probably go unsolved"

No doubt. Fortunately a small, busy population makes for a low crime rate.

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"you may end up with actual professional detectives."

Mebbe. Early in Golgotha's independent history they dicked around with the ancap notion of private security/law enforcement. Didn't take long for folks to grok that such a thing is one step away from bein' 'regulated' again. They reckoned (rightfully, I think) that sane, self-responsible individuals don't need hired overseers, but they could very well make good use of a Mike Hammer or Sam Spade.

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"Advanced forensic tech may help."

Indeed.

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"Who says they have to drag? Could be a family member, could be a good friend. Could be someone willing to be hired. Could be organized crime. Also, a 'party' is not necessarily an individual. Could be a family against one person. Could be none of the above - posses and lynch mobs historically have frequently included plenty of volunteers."

Good points...have to mull over how the balance out against the Law.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:31 PM   #21
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"So when does the book come out?"

After I write it.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:45 PM   #22
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"When someone is eliminated who gets their shit?"

Family and friends, usually. Sometimes, though, the early Golgothan gets the shit.

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"Sounds to me like it's not that difficult to frame an innocent person out of revenge and have them vacuumed before anyone figures it out."

True. As I say elsewhere: more safety, less liberty; more liberty, less safety.

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"No country for children so have to rely on immigrants. For the millions of incarcerated people who have no future on release, it could be a chance for a new start."

Only if, right from the start, such folks can take care of themselves and mind the Law. Seriously, there are no exceptions, no second chances, no probationary period. Folks who come to Golgotha thinkin' they're gonna be the exception are dead wrong.
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Old 07-11-2018, 06:57 PM   #23
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What happens if two people tap opposing Constables for the same crime?
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:09 PM   #24
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"It has a very low population, but open borders. Is it not an attractive place for most others, or are there space travel restrictions (ie, all settlements in this system are of similar levels of population, and the teeming masses are all back at Sol)?"

Low pop by design and preference. Not attractive except to a very specific kind of person. Haulers like Munson, folks who have to most contact with non-Golgothans intentionally paint as bleak a picture of Golgotha as possible.

Bit of history: fifty years from now, a lunatic named Blieder discovered the principles for a 'slow' kind of hyperdrive. It was another fifty years before the newly formed Union (ironic the discovery made by a mad solitary was the catalyst for the formalizing of a global communitarian regime) marshalled the global resources neccessary to build the massive Blieder driven Explorer/Colonizers.

HD 69830 was the destination of one of the four Explorers. It was geared to establish mining operations in the massive debris ring that was dubbed 'Uroboros'. Outposts were established throughout Uroboros including on a chunk of iron-nickel dubbed 'Golgotha'.

The Explorer was designed for easy cannibalization with the resources intended, Union-style, to be used equally by all outposts. But, in typical 'from each according to ability, to each according to need' fashion, the Central Planners decided they had the most need and so confiscated the bulk of the dismantled Blieder ship for their own outpost.

Perhaps these Central Planners were prescient and felt at ease violating Union decree cuz the next Blieder ship, expected ten years after the first, never arrived.

The next two hundred years were a royal bitch for just about everyone in-system except the Planners. Things were especially rough for Golgotha. Low man in the totem pole for any assist from the Union station (because of Golgotha's relative position furthest out).

Golgotha, already lean, became leaner, meaner, independent-minded, seeing less and less reason to be 'Union'.

One day, Golgothans formally stopped being 'Union', by introducing all Planner reps to vac.

There was war. No one actually 'won' but Golgotha remained independent.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:13 PM   #25
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"The Sol system, including Earth. I'm assuming several planets and lots of moons and asteroids were colonized there before they set out on interstellar journeys."

Yeah, the Union and what it turned into (the Orthodoxy) was well into spreading out through the Sol System by way of fusion pulse drive.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:41 PM   #26
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"When temporaries and immigrants arrive in bunches..."

...they observe the (One and Only) Law: Mind your own business, keep your hands to yourself...or else

...and...

...they take care of themselves.

They become Golgothan or they die.

Really, it's that simple.

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"your nation-state actually depends on them, they will bring their underlying culture and the present norms are threatened."

Again: within the context of the Law they can practice whatever culture they like. Being Golgothan isn't an 'identity', it's a hard-won way of living. And: Golgotha, Golgothans don't need them.

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"What they bring may be a net positive or negative, but it will change things. Necessarily."

It's been tried. Ask the residents of the Wahhabist station...oh, wait, Golgothans killed that station when its people began encroaching on Golgotha claims. The Wahhabists had tried memetic encroaching first, found that pointless ('your a fine engineer, Moe, but if you don't shut the fuck up about Allah I'm gonna shove your rug up your keister...this Hariven just ain't big enough for all this propagandizing'), moved on to provocative claim jumps and ended up on the wrong end of mass drivers.

Oh, the waves of horror passing through Uroboros! Stationcide!

Anyway: aint't nuthin' stopping anyone from emigrating away from Golgotha. much easier to leave or never come in the first place.

Golgothan hearts are stone in these matters.
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Old 07-11-2018, 08:52 PM   #27
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"He mentioned that the Orthodoxy has the ability to modify human drives. Maybe Golgotha has a secret illuminati that makes sure "Golgathans are" a certain way using the same tech."

The Orthodoxy is the Orthodoxy cuz every free will is lobotomized (think 'Borg' [before the introduction of the queen concept]. The Orthodoxy is one mind in billions of bodies. The Orthodoxy is the natural culmination of transhumanist techs converging.

The Singularity is upon us and it is utterly deterministic, mechanistic, hive-like.

If the Uroboros Union knew what the Sol System Union had become they would be horrified.

Sure as shit: Golgothans would freak in a major way.
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Old 07-11-2018, 09:07 PM   #28
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"What happens if two people tap opposing Constables for the same crime? "

Not unheard of, bit redundant though.

Where these two Constables can't see eye-to-eye, An Arbiter gets tapped.
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Old 07-12-2018, 03:33 PM   #29
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Isn't Sol the Sun?
I thought it was a guy I played cards with...
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Old 07-12-2018, 08:10 PM   #30
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