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Old 10-30-2019, 05:44 PM   #1
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Obama calls out call-out culture

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"This idea of purity and you're never compromised and you're politically woke, and all that stuff -- you should get over that quickly. The world is messy. There are ambiguities. People who do really good stuff have flaws. People who you are fighting may love their kids, and, you know, share certain things with you. And I think that one danger I see among young people, particularly on college campuses... There is this sense sometimes of 'the way of me making change is to be as judgmental as possible about other people, and that’s enough.' Like if I tweet or hashtag about how you didn’t do something right or used the wrong verb. Then, I can sit back and feel pretty good about myself because, 'Man, you see how woke I was? I called you out.' I’m gonna get on TV. Watch my show. Watch 'Grown-ish.' (laughter) You know, that’s not activism. That’s not bringing about change. If all you’re doing is casting stones, you’re probably not going to get that far. That's easy to do."
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Old 10-30-2019, 06:32 PM   #2
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Adult talking.
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Old 10-30-2019, 07:29 PM   #3
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Awesome... Even people who do things wrong do things right sometimes and vice-versa. Wow! Whoda thunk it?
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Old 10-30-2019, 09:42 PM   #4
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Old 10-30-2019, 11:28 PM   #5
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Yeah, that's constructive.
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Old 10-31-2019, 01:59 AM   #6
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I had a conversation with my non-binary partner and their lesbian girlfriend about SJW over-reach. My partner thought that the tampon packaging issue was an over-reach that sparked a lot of unhelpful conversation. This is a transmasc AFAB enbie saying this. Someone whom the issue is actually about thought it was over-reach.

Why do we over-reach? Because it's easy to be in an insular group where you assume everybody has a baseline understanding of an issue, and the people in that group are reaching for the next rung in the ladder, but the people NOT in that group might be one rung "down" on the ladder, and to them, that "next" step is completely un-intuitive. They likely don't have any idea what you're even talking about, and you're demanding that they parse nuance on the topic.

We all agreed that SJW over-reach can be a harmful thing (although I'm leery of the implications of making this case, and I'd never be the first to suggest it). We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!"
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Old 10-31-2019, 09:53 AM   #7
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Wull wait a minute

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if we heard some cis white dude in a bar
If you did, you would have totally assumed an individual's preference, gender, and race in order to openly declare prejudice against status across those things

But it would have been okay because you are doing it with oppressed-class comrades and can be seen as an ally
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:28 AM   #8
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But more importantly

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We also all agreed that if we heard some cis white dude in a bar complain about SJW over-reach we'd be like, "ƒuck that dude!"
This is a virtual tavern and I'm a cis white dude complaining about SJW overreach.

Come at me bro
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Old 10-31-2019, 10:29 AM   #9
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Yeah, that's constructive.
Gotta salt the earth from time to time.
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Old 10-31-2019, 03:30 PM   #10
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But it would have been okay because you are doing it with oppressed-class comrades and can be seen as an ally
:::whoosh:::
We were laughing at our own implicit bias, in an imaginary scenario that we ourselves purposefully designed to call ourselves out.

But then I got very educated by your reverse double-whammy virtue signal, as one does.
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Old 10-31-2019, 04:12 PM   #11
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Old 10-31-2019, 05:19 PM   #12
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it's a matter of deciding for yourself how important ultra-facility is to your
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Old 11-09-2019, 05:42 PM   #13
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So... what's an enbie?

Packaging overreach: the State of California just mandated that packaging on firearms sold shall now be printed with a phone number for a Suicide Crisis Hotline (capitalized to draw attention).

Propaganda much? I think propaganda much. Leaving no stone unturned to poormouth the one means of preventing the mass crime of genocide, along with poormouthing the wholly respectable idea of resisting criminals with sufficient violence, is not how you advance civilization no matter how you look at it.
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Old 11-10-2019, 09:26 AM   #14
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Firearms are probably the most effective way to commit suicide. The success rate is like 85%. Suicide is often a fleeting urge so putting other options out there may make sense.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/1/180005...ide-comparison

We actually have more suicides than murders by firearms.
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Old 11-10-2019, 02:21 PM   #15
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At that VOX link on the right side they tout their "Most Read" story called "Bullshit Jobs".
I don't know it I can trust someone who can't tell a bull from a cow.
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